05:46 You know, the most common question I ask our teenagers: are you
safe in how you act? Mom and dad, you understand the language? That’s
my most common question. In Baptist Church, in Hammond, Indiana, are
you practicing safe sex?
Sex to have been the continuous thread in this filthy being's sermons!! Just how did the elders sit through such grime? Just how did the "congregation" sit through this most revolting muck? To think there are those who refer to him as a "fallen man of God!" Give me a break! This man was NEVER a man of God, but of the Devil!!
All of the following gotten from
http://stevenandersonfamily.blogspot.com/2012/09/a-judas-not-david.html#more
Friday, September 21, 2012
A Judas, not a David
Looks like his "guilty" plea for taking a minor across state lines to
have an illegitimate affair with her is going to land Jack Schaap,
former pastor of the First Baptist Church of Hammond, Indiana, in
federal prison for ten or more years.
As it turns out, it is, indeed, a criminal act for a 54-year old (married father of two, no less) to carry on an intimate relationship with a 16-year old under his care and counseling. Whodathunkit!!! While she met the legal age for consent, that only applies as long as there are less than 4 years of age difference... not ***cough, cough*** 38 years.
To me, looking at it from a biblical perspective, the act of adultery
itself is an extremely serious crime, one that God thought fit to punish
with the death penalty. Not too many years ago, adultery was considered
a criminal act that bore legal repercussions even in our secular penal
code.
The facts notwithstanding, the calls for forgiveness, restoration,
empathy, and on and on, have been coming loud and clear from many sides.
Parallels are drawn to King David of old, whose sin with Bathsheba, and
the subsequent murder of her husband, cost him dearly.
Indeed, even in Schaap's very own statement, read after his appearance at the U.S. District Court in Hammond yesterday, he tells us that “It’s always distressing when a spiritual leader acts in a way contrary to his beliefs and teachings, but spiritual leaders are men, susceptible to sickness, weakness, stumbling and sinning.”(source) Evidently, he still thinks of himself as a spiritual leader, albeit one that is sickly and weak, and one who just kind of stumbled into this sin.
Yes, it is true that ALL of us sin, stumble, get sick, and have weak moments. Having an ongoing affair with a teenager in your church, while living a double life of being a megachurch pastor and married husband, is NOT stumbling. In the purely physical sense, I sometimes stumble. It may be at home, or in a public place like a store, for all to see - but I have never stumbled in a nightclub. Why? Because I don't go there! To "stumble into" adultery with a minor means he was dabbling in things he had no business dabbling in long before his "little misstep," as it were.
It takes more than one weak moment to commit sins of this magnitude. I would imagine it takes much thought, planning, conniving, and nerve to pull off something like that - much more than one weak moment of making a bad decision, and later coming to regret it. He went to bed next to his wife at night, telling her he loved her, even as he was cheating on her brazenly. He got up and preached about being pure and moral, while himself being vile. He played with his grandchildren even as he was taking a girl young enough to be his granddaughter across multiple state lines.
The above clip was preached on July 8, just weeks before he was found out and fired. It is a true Tour de Force of what any normal person can handle in one sitting, and definitely not anything for little ears. I guess that is why they have guards standing at the doors leading into the auditorium at each service, making sure no children sneak in there. If your church is like an adult shop, you know the wrong message is coming across the pulpit... just a thought...
01:20 Let me ask your daughter something. You date him? Have you
kissed him? Ya’ sleeping with him? Multiple times?
04:04 And I’ll look at the person and say, who ya sleeping with? Your
kid’s problem(s) isn’t, the, did you see how short her skirt is, no,
the problem is, she takes her skirt, and everything else off. Your
kids are coming to me and telling me they have sexual experiences in
the hundreds; hundreds; hundreds.
05:04 Is she good in bed? How many times have you slept with her? Are
you uncomfortable?
05:46 You know, the most common question I ask our teenagers: are you
safe in how you act? Mom and dad, you understand the language? That’s
my most common question. In Baptist Church, in Hammond, Indiana, are
you practicing safe sex?
09:10 I want to say to my fellow brethren cremate me over this. Absolutely destroy me on the blog pages. Massacre. We’ve lost lost
scores of HAC students because pastors get furious when I talk about this. But who wrote the book on sexuality folks?
09:47 Nobody wants to be more intimate with you than God does. The language that Jesus Christ used when he talked to his Father about what he wanted for his people. Read John 17 mom and daddy and tell me how intimate he wanted your kids to be with him. Read John 15 and ask me if Jesus Christ just wanted to shake hands. [whispering] If you abide in me, and my words abide in you. I in you. You in Me. We in the Father, the Father in us. Don’t try to reach some ambiguous theological nonsense in that. Jesus was saying, can I put it in language that everybody understands. He says “I want be the most intimate of intimates with you.”
10:50 But if we don’t get it figured out that we’re connected with God. And when your teenager goes through adolescence and they start changing, and daddy, you don’t want to touch her anymore, you know you don’t want to hug her anymore; trust me, she’s got a boyfriend lined up who’ll be happy to touch her.
11:50 Mom, dad, listen to me. I don’t need more business, but when your children reach that age, and they start going through that 13, 14, 15 year stage, send them to me, I’ll talk to them. Please don’t look at me like I’m stupid, why are you talking this way? Because I don’t want to lose your kids, that’s why. Because you don’t want to find out about it do you mom and daddy. And I’ll tell you three reasons why. Number one, because you’re dirty yourself.
12:42 I was one of those little kids that went to a public school. You’ve heard me say it, I watched sex take place in the Junior High hallway, but I was a virgin when I got married.
13:09 You know what grieves my heart. I’m looking around and see some of you men sleeping and I want to walk up to you. I can tell you how many girls your son has slept with; I know. He lives at home with you right now. You’re sleeping. You’re sound asleep. I want to walk up to you and say wake up dad, your son is whoring around.
15:03 Do you know how many times your daughter sneaks out in the wee hours of the morning to have sex with her boyfriend? Well, not my
daughter. I’ll take pictures for ya’.
(Source of transcript here)
Then there is an even more telling sermon clip from the 2010 Youth Conference, where he seemingly demonstrates an act of rape. I watched it first on my laptop with the broken speaker - even on mute, I was horrified. Later, upon replaying it for my husband on his computer, I could not believe my ears. "Of course it hurts... Of course it's pain..." Blech!!! There you have it. Spoken like a true child molesting pervert. And what's up with suits that look like lab coats on everyone, and the backdrop of lava lamps??? News of his affair should have come as a surprise to nobody. And people paid money to send their teenagers there to be corrupted!!?!?!?!?!
King David was not a child molester. He did not blaspheme God by making Him out to be a homosexual. He did not pervert and sexualize the Scriptures. He did not get up and preach about holiness for his day job, and live a perverted double life at night.
Jack Schaap is not a King David, he is a Judas. He entered a guilty plea not to save his family from embarrassment, but because there was no denying the facts, and the last thing he wanted was for more sordid details to come to light.
Why do people have such a hard time accepting that some "spiritual leaders" are nothing but wolves in sheep's clothing, come in to devour the flock? I would be shocked if we do not learn of many more cases of abuse at the hands of this man involving other victims.
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The kings were political leaders, not spiritual ones. That belonged to the priests. A real pastor is an equal co-laborer who has been given a gift by God for teaching His Word to a group of people. He holds pastors to higher standards that He does not hold other people to.
Also, when David was confronted, he repented. It was his sin that caused the Gentiles to blaspheme, NOT Nathan the prophet reporting it, nor the scribe that recorded it into sacred Scripture. God said that since the sin was secret the punishment would be public.
Remember that God judged David for his actions:
1. His baby died
2. The sword would never depart from David's house - most of his sons were killed, including Absalom
3. David's wives were given to his neighbor
4. His daughter was raped
5. Loss of his friends (Bathsheba was the granddaughter of Ahithophel, David's counsellor, who then supported Absalom's attempted coup)
6. Loss of life and strife.
So I ask those who wish to liken Schaap or any other preacher to David, which of his children is going to be the Absalom in his family? Which one will get raped? Which one will die? Because God did all those things to David as punishment.
I so worry about the 16 year old girl. I think there has been a lot of disagreement over whether she was a "victim" or not. I really think she will live with shame and regreat her whole life over this and I hope she is not crippled by it but will allow herself the healing God provides.
Sadly, there are so many who will stick up for this man, and continue believing his filth and false doctrine.
Jack Hyles would have just scooted him along to pastor at another church out of state...just like he did with his son David Hyles who was a sexual deviant like Jack Schaap. Where's "Dr. Hyles" when ya need him?
Zsus is so right about how this wasn't a misstep or a mistake. It was completely premeditated by that pervert. Kids are not safe unless they are with their parents at all times. Sometimes even then they aren't safe. Makes me sick.
But, the worst thing was the monthly column written by Pastor Jack Schaap. In what was supposed to be a woman's magazine? His writing was arrogant and condescending, with his entire focus on Christian marriage and behavior. I recall one of his statements in particular - "A wife should strive to look the same as she did at the beginning of the marriage." Pfft! How on earth is a woman supposed to look 19 years old after 20 years and mnay children? What about the husband? I felt it from the first issue - and tossed every issue I received. I usually shared my magazines (like 'Keepers at Home,' and 'Crowned with Silver,'with the young married women at church. Not that one.
He is no David. Not by a long shot. Nor was his predecessor - Jack Hyles. At least this time around - the church has thrown him out. But it sickens me to hear the sheeple bemoaning the loss of their evil pastor. Wouldn't disgust be the more appropriate response? It is a sick church. And I believe it will take far more than the firing of the pervert pastor to clean it up. http://www.biblicalevangelist.org/jack_hyles_chapter3.php
Actually, Zsuzsanna, I found your wonderful blog while researching the Jack Schaap scandal, and was lead to your husband's scathing (and accurate) coverage on youtube.
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