WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE ADDRESS THIS WITH SCRIPTURE AND SOUND EXPLANATION SO AS TO GIVE ANSWER IN THE WISDOM OF GOD AND NOT MEN?
This is being used to support the belief of some (the Ruckmanites especially), that the Body of Christ is ALSO the bride of Christ.
"This brings up a point now that is going to blow the whole system to pieces. The point is this. Were Peter, James, and John in “the Body”? That is the crux. If you want to mess up Stam, Baker, and O’Hare to where they will never get back on their feet again, you ask them if Peter, James, and John were in the Body of Christ. If so, when did they get in. I will show you why I say this.
Take your Bible and turn to John 17. Look at the words. John 17:6,
I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me.” There’s Peter, James, and John. Verse 10:, “And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.” There’s Peter, James, and John. Verses 14–18, same bunch. Now, watch it. Verse 21, “That they all may be one.” Not two, one. “As thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us.” How do you get two bodies and two spirits out of that? And how do you get Peter, James, and John in Christ and yet not in His Body, you Campbellite? Verse 23, “I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one.”
Ruckman, Dr. Peter S. (2011-10-11). Hyper Dispensationalism
This is being used to support the belief of some (the Ruckmanites especially), that the Body of Christ is ALSO the bride of Christ.
"This brings up a point now that is going to blow the whole system to pieces. The point is this. Were Peter, James, and John in “the Body”? That is the crux. If you want to mess up Stam, Baker, and O’Hare to where they will never get back on their feet again, you ask them if Peter, James, and John were in the Body of Christ. If so, when did they get in. I will show you why I say this.
Take your Bible and turn to John 17. Look at the words. John 17:6,
I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me.” There’s Peter, James, and John. Verse 10:, “And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.” There’s Peter, James, and John. Verses 14–18, same bunch. Now, watch it. Verse 21, “That they all may be one.” Not two, one. “As thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us.” How do you get two bodies and two spirits out of that? And how do you get Peter, James, and John in Christ and yet not in His Body, you Campbellite? Verse 23, “I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one.”
Ruckman, Dr. Peter S. (2011-10-11). Hyper Dispensationalism
Helga Hickman Hello, Rhonda Russell! I saw this earlier and had hoped the "men" we have around would have gladly addressed this, given that women are not very welcome to put in their two cents for the most part. But, I cannot let it go unaddressed, albeit I haven't the time it would require, but I can give you a good head start.
Through Genesis, Abraham, Moses, all through Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Acts, we do not see ONE SINGLE WORD UTTERED ABOUT THE BODY OF CHRIST! EVER!
Then, Paul is raised, and says,
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect:
yet not the wisdom of this world,
nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a MYSTERY,
even the HIDDEN wisdom,
WHICH GOD ORDAINED BEFORE THE WORLD UNTO OUR GLORY:
8 WHICH NONE OF THE PRINCES OF THIS WORLD KNEW:
FOR HAD THEY KNOWN IT,
THEY WOULD NOT HAVE CRUCIFIED THE LORD OF GLORY.
1 Corinthians 2:6-8
NOW WE KNOW WHY WE WERE KEPT A SECRET! Christ's death was the biggest defeat Satan suffered, but, had he known of His resurrection and the body of Christ...
Then, Paul further says,
Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy,
THAT IN ME FIRST Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering,
FOR A PATTERN TO THEM WHICH SHOULD HEREAFTER BELIEVE ON HIM TO LIFE EVERLASTING.
1 Timothy 1:16
So now we know that Paul is the FIRST in the body of Christ.
The likes of Ruckman would disagree! He loves putting labels on others! We are supposed to be "dry cleaners!" He is a Baptist preacher! Need I say more?
In my view, Ruckman is a cancer, who, before the Judgment Seat of Christ will have to answer for the countless babies who were killed with his blessings, since he sees not abortion as murder. This the same person who claims to know the word of God. He should enlighten God about it:
BEFORE I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
and BEFORE thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee,
and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Jeremiah 1:5
By now, you know, we MUST rightly divide the word of God, IF we are to properly know where it is we are in the plan God has for all of humankind.
Therefore, we will only be found in Romans through Philemon. We are the MYSTERY while it is the Jews and Israel are part of PROPHECY. Revelation is prophecy.
It is in Revelation that we find addressed the "bride of Christ!" Thus, IT COULD NEVER BE US! WE ARE NOT PART OF PROPHECY.
I can, and will give you more, but am totally shot for today!
May the Holy Spirit further enlighten you!- Helga Hickman Sister Rhonda, you might want to read my rebuttal to Ruckman's idiocy on the article you mention. I believe it is the same I have here on my blog.
http://rainhadocanto10-evangelicalchristian.blogspot.com/...
You might know that I have come to rightly divide the word of God only a little over a year ago. There was a time I liked Ruckman, but no more since I have learned so much of his hypocrisy!
rainhadocanto10-evangelicalchristian.blogspot.com
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 1 Corinthians 3:7 (KJB) - Helga Hickman Rhonda Russell: I have just found this. I have not heard it yet, but I know it is from a dispensational view.
The Bride of Christ
http://www.graceforall.net/storage/012713-11am.mp3
I believe this is Pastor Jerry Lockhart - Berean Bible Church, New Braunfels, Texas.
Going to be hearing this right now, myself!
- Helga Hickman I just saw your question about the 12 apostles being in the body of Christ. Well,
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you,
That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory,
ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Matthew 19:28 (King James Bible)
The body of Christ belongs in the heavenly places, and these 12 apostles will reign with Christ on earth!
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