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Tuesday, August 9, 2011

Rick Perry, Texas governor, speaks at "The Response", August 6, 2011 by Gregory Miller

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One of the biggest gifts given my by my Lord has been meeting with the likes of Brother Gregory Miller on Facebook! Of course, I already was used to listening to his enormously instructional studies through his channel http://www.youtube.com/user/bbbfohio and to his sermons http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermonsspeaker.asp?keyword=gregory+a+miller, but having been invited to his group Bible Believers Fellowship: kjvbiblebelievers.com has proven to be a privilege, given his extreme knowledge of the politics or our day, and his unabashed patriotism! He minces no words and tells it like it is!

Here I post a thread begun by him.

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OK. I'm already an outcast among most of my friends, family, co-workers and fellow "ministers" because I have a tendency to become indignant over things like THIS.
13 hours ago · · ·


    • Greg Miller A politician (who's a serve of the New World Order elite) calls for a prayer gathering and after a speech where he never mentions the name of Jesus Christ and then only says his name ONCE in a passing Scriptural reference... he then offers his "prayer" without mentioning the Name of Jesus ONCE in that prayer.

      But Christians are hailing this guy like hes the second coming of the Apostle Paul. SAD.

      13 hours ago · · 3 people

    • Greg Miller The Real Rick: http://www.infowars.com/bi​lderberg-approved-perry-se​t-to-become-presidential-f​rontrunner/

      www.infowars.com
      Every indication suggests that Bilderberg-approved Texas Governor Rick Perry is set to become the frontrunner in the Republican race to challenge Barack Obama for the presidency, illustrating once again how a shady, secretive and undemocratic global elite holds the reigns of true power while Ame...

      13 hours ago · · 1 person

    • Helga Hickman Brother Greg, who will there be worthy of a vote? So scary!!
      13 hours ago ·

    • Greg Miller This list could be condensed/merged to make a Top Ten List... but the points are still TRUE.

      http://www.infowars.com/14​-reasons-why-rick-perry-wo​uld-be-a-really-really-bad​-president/


      www.infowars.com
      Supporters of Texas Governor Rick Perry are not going to like this article at all.  Right now, Republicans all over the United States are touting Rick Perry as the “Republican messiah” that is going to come charging in to save America from the presidency of Barack Obama.  Many believe that if Rick P...

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    • Greg Miller Meanwhile, we are being told that Perry will throw his hat into the ring on Saturday: http://www.politico.com/ne​ws/stories/0811/60884.html

      www.politico.com
      The Texas governor will move forward with a presidential bid in a South Carolina speech this weekend.

      13 hours ago ·

    • Greg Miller Pray for this nation. We have no real leadership.
      13 hours ago · · 3 people

    • Greg Miller Helga, voting is like marriage. You're better off alone than marrying a NUT. And the way it looks, I might just be withholding my vote or voting for an unknown third party candidate just to send a tiny little message come election day.

      But that's a long way off. I'm really praying Jesus comes to take us HOME before then!

      13 hours ago · · 2 people

    • Greg Miller NOTE: in my original note I said "MOST"... I still have some family, friends, a few of co-workers and some preachers who still claim me. But MOST can't stand the sight of me... and that's the way we'll KEEP it.
      13 hours ago · · 1 person

    • Helga Hickman ‎.
      AMEN! I pray for that everyday!! This here is just beyond words!

      But, I believe, those who really count are by your side! Besides, you have Christ! If He's for you, who can be against you?

      13 hours ago ·

    • Norma Jordan Miller This is really worth checking out! A Wolf in Sheep's clothing! We need to be so careful of who we vote for!
      10 hours ago ·

    • Sally Chattin
      Well, I don't know what Bible y'all read, but mine says God and Jesus and Christ are three beings but the same entity. At least in the YouTube video I heard, Perry repeatedly mentions God, Christ and the Lord. In my unhumble opinion, the ab...See More

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    • Anne Puckett It's really funny you mention this Greg...I had the same thought when I watched the news video...what "god" is he praying to?
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    • Greg Miller
      ‎@ Anne this is EXACTLY the kind of "prayer" you will hear from the POPE.


      But you just watch the mush-minded "evangelicals" and "funnymentalists" line up behind this guy.
      They do so because they are not Bible BELIEVERS, but Bible USERS.


      There's a huge difference between USING the Bible and actually believing it.

      Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

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    • Greg Miller
      Sally, you are exactly what I fear.


      We are facing another round of indiscerning SUCKERS who have no spiritual discernment ready to fall in line behind George W. Bush, again, played by Rick Perry.


      Every new age politician (which is what Bush, Obama, Perry, etc. Are) use the words: God, Lord, Christ. So does Oprah, Shirley McClaine, Benny Hinn, the Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Masons, etc., but they don't use them AS belivers. They don't mean what Bible Believers mean.

      In this clip, Perry is READING an anemic speech where he doesn't sau "Jesus" until quoting scripture, and only then barely sems to be able to UTtER that Name above all Names...,

      ...followed by a prayer NOT offered in Jesus' Name. And he ended his prayer (that he is still READING) with the close of a model prayer for Jews under the Law, before the Cross-- in the wrong Dispensation. (Look it up: Matthew 6:8-13. Catholics and protestants pray this prayer PRETENDING to be JEWS. It's Replacement Theology in practice.)

      And Rick Perry has a record. He is a servant of the New World Order elite. Did Sally READ the facts about Perry in the articles linked above??

      If you seriously believe that this is "nit-picking at it's finest", you need to remove yourself from this group and find some blind leader of the blind to follow.

      I will have nothing to do with the dumb sheep falling in line, once again, behind another SHAM election with some FAKE political "savior". This is not the FB group for anyone with such tendencies.

      The purpose of this group is to discuss the truth, not defend pet politicians while denying the realoty what any discerning believer can see.

      Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

      2 hours ago via · · 1 person

    • Greg Miller
      BTW, these materials (video and two articles) help to explain why the MORMON Glenn Beck and his lifelong Mormon co-host Pat are helping to draft Perry into the presidential race.


      Mormonism is an off-shoot of Freemasonry and mormon politicians are nearly always servants of the Satanic New World Order elite (see Orin Hatch, Harry Reid, Mit Romney, John Huntsman, etc.)

      Birds of a feather...
      Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

      about an hour ago via · · 1 person

    • Greg Miller
      ‎1. God's people should NOT be gullible, naïve and seen as dupes (as they are seen by the GOP RINO elite every 4 years):


      "... For the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light." (Luke 16:8 kjb)


      America's president (and ALL elected officials) are SERVANTS, according to the God-ordained Constitution and "ministers" according to God:

      "For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wi
      lt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
      "For he is a minister of God to thee for good..." (Romans 13:3-4 kjb)

      Our generation is seeing IMPOSTERS like no other generation, whether we are talking about "ministers" in the church pulpits or the political bully pulpits:

      "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
      "Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." (2 Corinthians 11:14-15 kjb)

      Shame on anyone who sells out and joins with "the lesser of evils". That is a direct rebellion against God's clear commandment to His chuches to reject those::

      "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." (2 Timothy 3:5 kjb)

      Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

      17 minutes ago via · · 1 person

    • Helga Hickman WOW! Awesome dissertation this! I am placing the whole thing on my blog! Indeed, at this rate, it looks to me I will be voting for Charlie Brown!
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  • Helga Hickman WOW! Awesome dissertation this! I am placing the whole thing on my blog! Indeed, at this rate, it looks to me I will be voting for Charlie Brown!
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  • Sally Chattin
    Well Greg, it seems we have something in common: fear. Your fear is of anyone whose faith does not follow your exact path and mine is of radicals and zealots.


    I will take your suggestion and remove myself from this group because it is this type of fanaticism, carried on in the name of God and the Lord Jesus Christ, that has caused many bloody wars throughout history. In my opinion, zealots and fanatics have turned more people away from Christ than to Him.

    This has nothing to do with Rick Perry's political agenda. It has to do with, under whatever guise, a better message than I've heard from a lot of pastors and my dad was a Baptist minister and I've been saved for more than 50 years so do NOT go there with me.

    I do not attend an organized church, and have not for many years, because of "followers" like you. However, my salvation is secure and my faith in God governs my life on a daily basis.

    Are we to try the spirits? Of course. However, hatemongering is antithetical to everything Christ taught and I am and will be eternally grateful that Almighty God is the One who will judge me and not most of the "Chistians" I either know or have come into contact with.

    That said, I will now immediately remove myself from this group, and rejoice in so doing!

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  • Helga Hickman
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    "hatemongering is antithetical to everything Christ taught" - Sally C.


    Sometimes I wonder are we reading the same Bible! I am so very sick of people who know Jesus to be no more that a wimp, a politically-correct ninny!


    The Jesus I follow spoke firmly and left no doubts as to what His mission was:

    Divisive:
    34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

    35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
    Matthew 10:34-35
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    Judgmental and vindictive:
    12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.

    13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

    14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

    15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

    16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
    Matthew 10:12-16
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    An exclusivist:
    13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

    14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

    15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

    16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

    17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

    18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

    19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

    20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
    Matthew 7:13-20 (King James Bible)

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  • Greg Miller ‎@Helga Amen. Sally is in rebellion against the God of the Bible (Hebrews 10;25) serving a god made in her own image.
    Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

    15 minutes ago via · · 1 person

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  • Helga Hickman
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    "hatemongering is antithetical to everything Christ taught" - Sally C.

    Sometimes I wonder are we reading the same Bible! I am so very sick of people who know Jesus to be no more that a wimp, a politically-correct ninny!

    ...See More
    3 hours ago · · 1 person
  • Greg Miller ‎@Helga Amen. Sally is in rebellion against the God of the Bible (Hebrews 10;25) serving a god made in her own image.
    Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
    3 hours ago via · · 2 people
  • Greg Miller
    It truly is amazing how many backslidden "preachers kids" there are, out there blaming people like me for their sin and rebellion. Sally is Sally's problem. She is in rebellion, obviously, against her heavenly Father and her earthly father. And her attitude frips with the spirit of Lucifer (Isaiah 14:12).

    I am supposing that Sally isn't lying (though her posts are filled with them) when she announced that she has left the group. So, I will not address her personally. But she resorts to the tactics of the guilty and doesn't actually discuss the substance of the video, the additional posts OR of my comments.

    Those are the tactics of people who are wrong and know it, but wholly unrepentant.

    For example, she accused me of "fear" of those who do not follow my "exact path".

    My exact path is John 14:6 and Acts 4:12. "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." (Matthew 7:14)

    Rick Perry prayed to a god with no name (Acts 17:23) and Sally suuports him. Sally is rejecting the words of God and dares to be corrected.

    "The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise." (Proverbs 12:15)

    I don't "fear" anyone (though Sally would wish that I fear Laodiceans like herself).

    But worst of all is Sally's lie about "fanatics" like me killing people. (John 8:44).

    Pray for her.

    I am a Bible believer and I unapologetically hold the "narrow" way that Jesus and the apostles preached.

    Further, I challenge anyone to find a "fanatic" who holds my doctrinal views and preaches the Gospel and Biblical truth who ever KILLED, at all,, let alone killed millions.

    Sally's baseless accusation is the exact argument Sodomites and Atheists use and she would certainly feel right at home in their company.

    I would suspect her reference to "millions" would include;

    Crusaders? They killed people like me... and JEWS

    Inquisition? Those who hold my narrow views were the TARGET of the Pope's Inquisition, along with the JEWS.

    Muslims? They, too, killed people like me.. and JEWS.

    Communists? Again, those who hold my views were killed when found, along with the JEWS.

    So, where is this group of king James Bible thumping fanatic Baptists who EVER killed people (and remember, it was MILLIONS)?

    Sally is a liar. She certainly is a product of this apostate age.

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    2 hours ago via · · 1 person
  • Helga Hickman
    Indeed, Brother Greg! But, you know what is even more amazing? Is that someone like me gets it! How I praise God for it!

    Oh! I am a person of my own mind and am not swayed by anyone... except when they broaden my horizons and help me see the truth!

    I used to think that Rick Warren was the greatest thing since ice cubes, UNTIL, it was shown to me almost verse for verse how this wolf has perverted the word of God! But that was before I even knew of the King James Bible, which took place just 20 months ago!

    The most amazing thing is that I came out of the Roman Catholic Cult at the age of 52, which now I learn very seldom happens! How grateful I am to my Lord and Saviour!
    2 hours ago · · 2 people

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Sunday, August 7, 2011

Обманывал ли Иисус? (Did Jesus Lie? by David Daniels)

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Обманывал ли Иисус?



Uploaded by on Jun 16, 2011
 
В большинстве современных переводах нет маленького слова, что делает Иисуса лжецом. Иоан. 7:8-10. Библия Короля Иакова точная. Одно лишь слово! Новые переводы библии, в основном, основаны на испорченных гречиских копиях. Оригиналов в обществе нет! Текстус ресептус- не испорченные копии. Библия короля Якова без ошибок перевода. Лучше синодального будет тот перевод, который соответствует KJV.


Did Jesus Lie?


Uploaded by on Sep 1, 2009
 
Author David Daniels shares information from chapter 1 of his book, "Look What's Missing," and shows why it's so important that your Bible is not missing anything!

The book is available at http://www.chick.com/  or  http://www.amazon.com/

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Saturday, August 6, 2011

Современные переводы Библии-заговор (New Bible Version Conspiracy by Bryan Denlinger)

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Quite accidentally I came across on brother Bryan Denlinger's channel,

What an awesome find! This gentleman is dubbing brother Bryan's videos into Ukrainian so it will be viewed by more souls. Praise God that more will come to know the truth of His word! This is simply awesome work!

Современные переводы Библии-заговор.



Uploaded by on Jun 16, 2011
 
Есть люди, искажающие Библию. Это в большинстве современных переводов. Новые переводы в основном основаны на испорченных греческих копиях. Библия Короля Иакова точная. Синодальный имеет ошибки, но не в ключевых словах, серьёзно влияющих на доктрины, и лучше его будет перевод, полностью соответствующий Библии Короля Якова. ОРИГИНАЛОВ НЕТ В ОБЩЕСТВЕ! Читайте KJV.


New Bible Version Conspiracy



Uploaded by on Sep 10, 2009
 
Are the "New" Versions of the Bible REALLY about updating the "archaic" language of the KJV, or are they part of a conspiracy to destroy Bible-believing Christianity? This short video clip is just part of our new video, "Ridiculous Bible PerVersions Of The New Age." In this clip you will hear the testimony of Dr. Laurence Dunegan, who attended a meeting in 1969 where he was told that the Bible was going to be rewritten to form a "NEW RELIGION!" The whole video can be purchased in high quality at: www.kingjamesvideoministries.com

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GOD REPENTS..THEREFORE, REPENT CANNOT MEAN "TURN FROM SIN"...

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Genesis 6:6
And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Exodus 32:14
And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Deuteronomy 32:36
For the Lord shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants.

1 Samuel 15:11
It repenteth me [God] that I have set up Saul to be king.

1 Samuel 15:35
The Lord repented that he had made Saul king over Israel.

2 Samuel 24:16
The Lord repented of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, it is enough: stay now thine hand.

1 Chronicles 21:15
The Lord beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand.

Isaiah 38:1-5
In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And Isaiah ... said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Set thine house in order: for thou shalt die, and not live. ... Thus saith the LORD ... I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.

Jeremiah 15:6
I [God] am weary of repenting.

Jeremiah 18:8
I [God] will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

Jeremiah 26:3
That I [God]may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them.

Jeremiah 26:13
The Lord will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.

Jeremiah 26:19
The Lord repented him of the evil which he had pronounced against them.

Jeremiah 42:10
For I [God] repent me of the evil that I have done unto you.

Amos 7:3, 6
The Lord repented for this.

Jonah 3:10
God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them.

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Friday, August 5, 2011

36 Things the Believer in CHRIST ALONE HAS...

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7Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
 8For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
 9I pray for them: I pray not for the world, 
but for them which thou hast given me; 
for they are thine.
 10And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; 
and I am glorified in them. 
John 17:7-10 (King James Bible)



As Believers in Christ we:
  • Are given the FREE GIFT of salvation (eternal life). Romans 6:23, Ephesians 2:8-9
  • Can KNOW we have eternal life. 1 John 5:13
  • Are part of God’s eternal plan for Believers – Ephesians 1:4
  • Are redeemed and forgiven by Christ – Ephesians1:7
  • Are reconciled to God in Christ – 2 Corinthians 5:19
  • Are beneficiaries of Christ’s payment (propitiation/atonement) for our sins -1 John 2:2
  • Are forgiven all trespasses and sins – Colossians 2:13
  • Have fellowship and communion with Jesus Christ – I Corinthians 1:9
  • Are free from the law of sin and death – Romans 8:2
  • Are a child of God by Faith in Christ – Galatians 3:26
  • Are adopted into God’s family- Ephesians1:4-5
  • Are made acceptable to God by Jesus Christ – 1 Peter 2:5
  • Are justified — declared righteous before a Holy God – Romans 5:1
  • Are made to be near to God – Ephesians2:13
  • Are delivered from the power of Satan. – Colossians 1:13, 2 Corinthians 4:3-6
  • Are translated into the Kingdom of His dear Son – Colossians 1:13
  • Are placed upon the Foundation, The Rock (Jesus Christ) – 1 Corinthians 10:4, 1 Corinthians 3:9-15
  • Are a gift to Christ – John 17:9-10
  • Are circumcised (made without hands) in Christ – Colossians 2:11
  • Are holy and royal priests – 1 Peter 2:5, 9
  • Are a chosen generation, a peculiar (different) people for the purpose — to show forth the praises of Christ – to be holy – 1 Peter 2:9
  • Are citizens of heaven – Philippians 3:20, (21)
  • Are of the family and household of God – Ephesians2:19
  • Are in the fellowship of the saints (believers) – Ephesians2:19
  • Are risen with Christ – In the Heavenlies, – Colossians 3:1, Ephesians 1:3
  • Are granted access to God the Father through Christ – Ephesians2:18
  • Are within the care of God – 1 Peter 5:7
  • Are His inheritance – Ephesians1:18
  • Are beneficiaries of an incorruptible and undefiled inheritance – 1 Peter 1:4
  • Are the light bearers to the world – Romans 1:16, 2 Corinthians 4:3,4
  • Are united eternally with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit – John 14:20, 1 Corinthians 2:12
  • Are blessed with the earnest (down payment) of the Holy Spirit Who guarantees our eternal inheritance in Jesus Christ – Ephesians1:13-14
  • Are baptized into the Body of Christ, by the Holy Spirit the moment we believe – 1 Corinthians 12:13
  • Are sealed with the Holy Spirit the moment we believe – Ephesians1:13
  • Are complete in Christ – Colossians 2:9,10
  • Are called out of darkness into Christ’s Marvelous Light – 1 Peter 2:9
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Wednesday, August 3, 2011

Salvation and End-Times Apostasy by David Cloud

Salvation and End-Times Apostasy

August 3, 2011
David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061, 866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org

SALVATION AND END-TIMES APOSTASY

August 3, 2011 (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061, 866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org; for instructions about subscribing and unsubscribing or changing addresses, see the information paragraph at the end of the article) -

A fundamental reason why so many professing Christians are embracing the false god of end-times apostasy (e.g., the non-judgmental, no-obligations god of The Shack) is the absence of biblical salvation.

A genuine experience of salvation is foundational to spiritual protection, because it is impossible to understand the truth properly apart from the new birth.

“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned” (1 Corinthians 2:14).

Further, those who are not saved are still under the power of the prince of the power of the air (Ephesians 2:1-2). It is only the truly regenerate individual who can claim the precious promise of 1 John 4:4, “greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.”

Yet confusion about salvation is rampant.

I began to understand this many decades ago when I sat in the office of the head of the Bible Society in Calcutta, India, and talked with him about salvation. I told him how I was converted at age 23, and then I asked, “How were you saved?” He sort of chuckled and said, “I’m a third generation Christian.”

According to Scripture, there is no such thing. Jesus said that each individual must be born again. I can’t go to heaven on the coattails of the faith of my parents or grandparents.

On that same trip to India I sat in the office of the head of the theological seminary at Serampore University. When I asked him how a person becomes a Christian he replied: “There are a number of ways. You can be born into a Christian home; you can be baptized; you can be catechized; you can have a conversion experience.”

A few years ago I attended Rick Warren’s church in California and as I was waiting for the service to begin I talked to the man sitting next to me. I asked if he was a member of the church, and he said yes. I then asked when he was born again, and he replied that he had always been a Christian.

Again, that is not possible.

Consider the Charismatic Movement

Consider the charismatic movement with its radical ecumenism. While there are saved people in the movement, there are countless people who are not saved. They have had an emotional mystical experience of some sort; they have prayed a prayer and been “baptized by the Spirit”; they have fallen down, spoken in tongues, danced, been captivated by powerful music. But they haven’t repented of their sin and put their complete trust in the once for all atonement of Jesus Christ. At the massive New Orleans ’87 conference, which had roughly 35,000 attendees, half of the people raised their hands one evening to indicate that they didn’t know for sure if they were saved, and this was after these same people had spent two or three days in enthusiastic charismatic worship.

At a press conference the next day, Dennis Costella of Foundation magazine asked why the conference didn’t address the matter of salvation plainly and publicly in order to clear up the obvious confusion. A Pentecostal leader replied, “We don’t have time for that.” The more honest answer would have been as follows:

“We are a mixed multitude and there is widespread confusion about salvation in our midst. This conference represents 40 different denominations, and we have different ideas about the gospel itself. Our Catholic brethren have one idea and our Lutheran brethren another and there are differences of opinion even among us Pentecostals. In the context of the ecumenical aspect of the charismatic movement, some believe baptism is necessary for salvation; some believe you can’t be saved without tongues; some believe baptism regenerates; some believe cooing infants can be saved; some believe salvation must be nurtured through sacraments; some believe you can lose your salvation; some believe salvation is a mere sinner’s prayer; some believe in ‘Four Spiritual Laws,’ etc. So it is impossible to be doctrinally precise on that or practically any other issue and still keep our unity. As you know, doctrine divides; love unites, and love is what really matters. We can’t judge someone else, you know.”

That is the situation that exists within the broad worldwide charismatic movement.

Consider the Emerging Church

There is the same problem in the emerging church. In my research into the emerging church I have been amazed at the widespread confusion about the issue of salvation itself.

In fact, Brian McLaren, one of the most prominent names in the movement, says:

“I don’t think we’ve got the gospel right yet. What does it mean to be ‘saved’? When I read the Bible, I don’t see it meaning, ‘I’m going to heaven after I die.’ Before modern evangelicalism nobody accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Savior, or walked down an aisle, or said the sinner’s prayer. I don't think the liberals have it right. But I don't think we have it right either. None of us has arrived at orthodoxy” (“The Emergent Mystique,” Christianity Today, Nov. 2004, p. 40).

In fact, it is rare to find a clear biblical testimony of salvation in the writings of emerging church leaders.

Scot McKnight says that “conversion” can be through liturgy (referring to sacraments such as baptism), or through socialization (growing up in a Christian home), or through personal decisional faith in Christ (Turning to Jesus: The Sociology of Conversion in the Gospels).

This statement reflects a deep confusion about salvation.

Robert Webber, who grew up in a Baptist pastor’s home, argued that salvation does not have to be a dramatic conversion experience and admitted that he didn’t have such an experience. He said that repentance “can have a dramatic beginning or can come as a result of a process over time” (The Divine Embrace, p. 149). He saw salvation as a sacramental process that begins at baptism, and this is one reason why he left the Baptists and joined the Episcopalians and was also perfectly comfortable with Roman Catholicism.

Tony Campolo has a similar testimony. In Letters to a Young Evangelical Campolo described his own experience in the following words:

When I was a boy growing up in a lower-middle-class neighborhood in West Philadelphia, MY MOTHER, a convert to Evangelical Christianity from a Catholic Italian immigrant family, HOPED I WOULD HAVE ONE OF THOSE DRAMATIC ‘BORN-AGAIN’ EXPERIENCES. That was the way she had come into a personal relationship with Christ. She took me to hear one evangelist after another, praying that I would go to the altar and come away ‘converted.’ BUT IT NEVER WORKED FOR ME. I would go down the aisle as the people around me sang ‘the invitation hymn,’ but I just didn’t feel as if anything happened to me. For a while I despaired, wondering if I would ever get ‘saved.’ It took me quite some time to realize that entering into a personal relationship with Christ DOES NOT ALWAYS HAPPEN THAT WAY. ...

In my case INTIMACY WITH CHRIST WAS DEVELOPED GRADUALLY OVER THE YEARS, primarily through what Catholic mystics call ‘centering prayer.’ Each morning, as soon as I wake up, I take time--sometimes as much as a half hour--to center myself on Jesus. I say his name over and over again to drive back the 101 things that begin to clutter up my mind the minute I open my eyes. Jesus is my mantra, as some would say. ...

I LEARNED ABOUT THIS WAY OF HAVING A BORN-AGAIN EXPERIENCE FROM READING THE CATHOLIC MYSTICS, especially The Spiritual Exercises of Ignatius of Loyola (Letters to a Young Evangelical, 2006, pp. 25, 26, 30).

This is very frightful testimony. Campolo does not have a biblical testimony of salvation. He plainly admits that he is not “born again” in the way that his mother was, through a biblical-style conversion. Instead, he describes his “intimacy with Christ” as something that has developed gradually through the practice of Catholic mysticism.

For one thing, this is to confuse the issue of salvation with that of spiritual growth. All of the conversions that are recorded in the New Testament are of the instantaneous, dramatic variety. We think of the woman at the well (John 4), Zacchaeus (Luke 19), the Ethiopian eunuch (Acts 8), Paul (Acts 9), Cornelius (Acts 10), Lydia (Acts 16), and the Philippian jailer (Acts 16), to name a few. The Lord Jesus Christ said that salvation is a birth (John 3:3). That is not a gradual thing that happens throughout one’s life; it is an event!

Further, Catholic mysticism itself is deeply unscriptural. Jesus forbad repetitious prayers (Mat. 6:7). He taught us to pray in a verbal, conscious manner, talking with God as with a Father, addressing God the Father external to us, not searching for a mystical oneness with God in the center of our being through meditation (Mat. 6:9-13). The Catholic mystics did not have a biblical testimony of salvation. They trusted in Christ PLUS baptism and the other Catholic sacraments, which is a false gospel.

Jim Wallis, one of the most influential of emergents, defines “born again” as follows:

“Being born again was not meant to be a private religious experience that is hard to communicate … but rather the prerequisite for joining a new and very public movement – the Jesus and kingdom of God movement” (The Great Awakening, p. 60).

Wallis claims that salvation isn’t a personal religious experience, but that is exactly what it was in the case of the salvations recorded in the New Testament.

The book Emerging Churches by Eddie Gibbs and Ryan Bolger contains the testimonies of about 50 emerging church leaders in Appendix A, and only a couple of them even come close to a biblical testimony. Some of them don’t mention a personal salvation testimony, merely saying that they grew up in some type of church.

And remember that these are emerging church LEADERS.

Ben Edson of Sanctus1 in Manchester, England, says:

“After a painful breakup with my girlfriend, I gave God another chance. I cried out to God at my point of need, and God met me in a profound and life-changing way” (p. 266).

Is salvation a matter of giving God a chance, of God meeting my needs and having a “profound” experience of some sort? Many people have life-changing experiences through psychology, 12-Step programs, New Age mysticism, and goddess worship.

Kester Brewin of Vaux in London, England, said:

“I can point to a Billy Graham rally in 1984 as a conversion, but that was really more of a moment of STRENGTHENING A FAITH THAT HAD ALWAYS been there” (Emerging Churches, 2005, p. 248).

Ephesians 2:1-2 says there is a time before salvation and a time after salvation. Before salvation we are dead in trespasses and sins and controlled by the devil. After salvation we have new life in Christ and belong to God. It is sometimes the case with a child who grows up in church that he does not remember the exact time that he put his faith in Christ, but true salvation is always a life-changing event and one should never say that he has always had faith.

In the book What Is the Emerging Church? we give many more examples of this.

Consider Christian Rock

From its inception, Christian rock has been promoted as a great tool for evangelism and large numbers of professions of faith have been reported, but there is reason to be very skeptical.

John Blanchard researched 13 mission agencies in Britain to see how many of their candidates were converted at Christian rock concerts. Not one was found. The following reply was typical: “I cannot call to mind anybody who has been converted through this type of youth evangelism and has subsequently gone to missionary service” (Pop Goes the Gospel, pp. 110-112).

When decisions made at Christian rock concerts in Britain were followed up, it was found that very few were genuine. For example, of 200 decisions recorded at one youth meeting, only four attended a follow-up session. Of the 100 students who made “decisions” in a school visited by a CCM performance, only one later showed even “a mild interest” in Christian things (Blanchard, Pop Goes the Gospel, p. 110).

The devil has provided many alternatives to the new birth and there are many sorts of false professions of salvation. Note the Bible’s warnings:

* A person can believe in God and not be saved (James 2:19).
* A person can pray to Jesus and not be saved (Matt. 7:22-23).
* A person can prophesy in Jesus’ name and not be saved (Matt. 7:22-23).
* A person can do wonderful works in Jesus’ name and not be saved (Matt. 7:22-23).
* A person can have a zeal for God and not be saved (Rom. 10:2-3).
* A person can have a zeal to make proselytes for God and not be saved (Matt. 23:15).
* A person can be very interested in Jesus Christ and not be saved (Matt. 19:16-22).
* A person can profess to know God and not be saved (Titus 1:16).
* A person can follow Jesus for a while and not be saved (Jn. 6:66).
* A person can serve Christ as an apostle and not be saved (John 6:70).
* A person can even believe on Jesus’ name and not be saved (John 2:23-24).

The reason the people in John 2:23-25 were not saved is because they did not believe on Jesus as their Lord and Saviour from sin but as their worldly messiah who would feed them and rescue them from their political enemies (Jn. 6:26).

Consider the Southern Baptist Convention

The Southern Baptist Convention has a reputation of being very conservative, yet only about 30 percent of the members of Southern Baptist churches even attend Sunday morning service and only about 10 percent participate in anything beyond that. As Jim Elliff at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary observed, “These figures suggest that nearly 90% of Southern Baptist church members appear to be little different from the ‘cultural Christians’ who populate mainline denominations” (Founder’s Journal, Feb. 7, 1999).

I suggest that this means that the vast majority of Southern Baptists are not born again. Those who joined the first church at Jerusalem demonstrated the reality of their Christianity by “continuing steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers” (Acts 2:42).

I grew up in the Southern Baptist Convention and I know that it was typical to make a profession of faith of some sort when you were a kid and to be baptized even though there was no real indication that you had been born again. And it was commonplace that an individual’s salvation was never questioned thereafter no matter how wicked he lived and no matter how obvious it was that he had never been converted (e.g., Matthew 18:3; John 3:3; 2 Corinthians 5:17; Titus 1:16; 1 John 2:4). It was typical to leave church sometime during adolescence (because you had zero interest in spiritual things), and to go out and “sow your wild oats,” and then to come back to church at some point years later and take up right where you left off without ever having a real life-changing conversion experience. Reformation is not the same as salvation. In this way, churches become filled up with unregenerate members as the generations pass.

Consider Independent Baptists

I am not sure how much better the situation is among Independent Baptists. The practice of Quick Prayerism and the haste to baptize people upon a mere “profession of faith” with no evidence of the new birth has doubtless filled many churches with unregenerate people who are trying to act like Christians without ever having experienced the life-changing miracle of conversion.

An experience that a pastor friend had during a soul-winning visitation is all too typical. A couple of years ago he went door knocking with one of the prominent soul-winners in a large independent Baptist church. This man is a veteran missionary from Japan as well as a teacher of evangelism and missions. A young preacher was also with them who was preparing to start a new church. They knocked on a door and a Roman Catholic man answered. He wasn’t interested enough to invite them in, but the soul-winner quickly presented the “Romans Road,” led him in a sinner’s prayer, and gave him “assurance.” As the soul-winner and the young preacher were busy writing down the man’s address and other details, my pastor friend asked the man if he believed he was a good man and that he would die and go to heaven based on his merits as a good person, and he replied, “Yes, of course!” Which is a proper Catholic answer, of course, but it is not the answer of a truly saved man. My pastor friend said: “Nobody blinked; they kept on writing as if nothing happened. I actually had to pause and look around to see if all this was for real before I realized that this wasn't important from their perspective because he had already prayed a prayer and as long as he can be brought in to attend Sunday School, he can be baptized and trained to act like an IFB church member afterwards.”

Quick Prayerism is a frightful, unscriptural practice that is rampant within Independent Baptist circles. I was taught it in the 1970s as a student at Tennessee Temple, one of the largest Independent Baptist schools. It was promoted by Jack Hyles, one of the most influential Independent Baptist pastors. It has long been promoted by the Sword of the Lord. It is even practiced by many preachers who say they are against it and who claim to believe in “repentance”!

I have dealt with this problem extensively in the book Repentance and Soul Winning.

I would challenge every reader to examine yourself in the light of God’s Word to make sure of your salvation.

“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new” (2 Corinthians 5:17).

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour” (1 Peter 5:8).

“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ” (Colossians 2:8).

In the book Keeping the Kids we devote a chapter to the importance of a genuine conversion experience.


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Monday, August 1, 2011

Simplicity In Christ (2 Corinthians 11:3) by Greg Miller; The simplicity of the Gospel by Charles Surgeon

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Mind you, Charles Spurgeon NEVER attended any theological college, yet, is regarded as one of the BEST preachers ever! Graduates from such seminaries come out being charlatans, their ultimate goal, for the most part, to satisfy their bellies. Of course, there are notable exceptions to this rule! 

Christ gave His word to simple men! Should such simple men have the Holy Spirit in them, they shall have no trouble preaching God's word!

I will worship toward thy holy temple, 
and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness 
and for thy truth: 
for thou hast magnified thy word 
above all thy name.
Psalm 138:2 (King James Bible)

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God be thanked for the simplicity of the gospel. The longer I live the more I bless God that we have not received a classical gospel, or a mathematical gospel, or a metaphysical gospel; it is not a gospel confined to scholars and men of genius, but a poor man’s gospel, a ploughman’s gospel; for that is the kind of gospel which we can live upon and die upon. It is to us not the luxury of refinement, but the staple food of life.

We want no fine words when the heart is heavy, neither do we need deep problems when we are lying upon the verge of eternity, weak in body and tempted in mind. At such times we magnify the blessed simplicity of the gospel. Jesus in the flesh made manifest becomes our soul’s bread. Jesus bleeding on the cross, a substitute for sinners, is our soul’s drink. This is the gospel for babes, and strong men want no more.

From a sermon by Charles Haddon Spurgeon entitled "Soul-Satisfying Bread," delivered May 18, 1873. Image by Steve-h on Flickr under Creative Commons License

Simplicity In Christ 

(2 Corinthians 11:3)




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Simplicity in Christ is founded in the Gospel. And all false cults and religion destroy the Gospel by making it something difficult and convoluted.

Paul warns the Corinthians of being fooled by such Satanic subtlety and we must heed that warning today. We are in the LAST days.

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