Which King James Version: 1611 or 1769?

This has got to be the most FASCINATING post I have ever placed!
Incredible the monumentally laborious work that must have gone into the printing of the King James Bible, given the rudimentary tools available at the time, printing itself to have been at its inception!

I have to thank my dear brother in Christ, Bryan Denlinger, for bringing all this to us!

1611 or 1769?

husky394xp | February 17, 2011 | 98 likes, 6 dislikes

In this video I look at the changes to the Bible that occurred between 1611 and 1769. I will show that these changes are based on font, spelling, and printer error. I discuss the difficult manual printing techniques that would have been used to publish the KJV in 1611, and why it would be almost impossible to avoid errors in the earliest printings.

There were many thousands of changes related to SPELLING and FONT. But the actual word changes amounted to only 400 for the total Bible. That comes out to roughly 1 printing error for every 3 chapters. By 1638, 72% of these errors were fixed. All of the corrections were finished by 1769, and the King James Bible went on to become the greatest book ever in the history of the world!

Here are some links to the articles and videos mentioned by me.


Great article on the "Myth of Early Revisions":
http://www.biblebelievers.com/Reagan_...

Old Press Demonstration:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-BEI_...

Guttenberg Press Demonstration:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOAVAV...

Modern printer showing type-setting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByNucP...

1611 Photographic Reproduction:
http://lifelineprinting.com/bibles.htm

The King James Version of 1611 The Myth of Early Revisions By Pastor David F. Reagan © Copyrighted by David F. Reagan. As long as this notice is included, permission is granted to copy and distribute this material (electronically or in print form) for individual use or for small groups. All other rights (such as use in books, periodicals, on web pages, etc.) are reserved and must be obtained by permission from the author. Contact David Reagan at Antioch Baptist Church, 5709 N. Broadway, Knoxville, TN, 37918 – (865) 688-0780 – Fax (865) 689-1611 – doit55@juno.com

INTRODUCTION

Men have been "handling the word of God deceitfully" (II Cor. 4:2) ever since the devil first taught Eve how. From Cain to Balaam, from Jehudi to the scribes and Pharisees, from the Dark Age theologians to present-day scholars, the living words of the Almighty God have been prime targets for man’s corrupting hand. The attacks on the Word of God are threefold: addition, subtraction, and substitution. From Adam’s day to the computer age, the strategies have remained the same. There is nothing new under the sun.

One attack which is receiving quite a bit of attention these days is a direct attack on the Word of God as preserved in the English language: the King James Version of 1611. The attack referred to is the myth which claims that since the King James Version of 1611 has already been revised four times, there should be and can be no valid objection to other revisions. This myth was used by the English Revisers of 1881 and has been revived in recent years by fundamentalist scholars hoping to sell their latest translation. This book is given as an answer to this attack. The purpose of the material is not to convince those who would deny this preservation but to strengthen the faith of those who already believe in a preserved English Bible.

One major question often arises in any attack such as this. How far should we go in answering the critics? If we were to attempt to answer every shallow objection to the infallibility of the English Bible, we would never be able to accomplish anything else. Sanity must prevail somewhere. As always, the answer is in God’s Word. Proverbs 26:4-5 states:

Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Obviously, there are times when a foolish query should be ignored and times when it should be met with an answer. If to answer the attack will make you look as foolish as the attacker, then the best answer is to ignore the question. For instance, if you are told that the Bible cannot be infallible because so-and - so believes that it is, and he is divorced, then you may safely assume that silence is the best answer. On the other hand, there are often questions and problems that, if true, would be serious. To ignore these issues would be to leave the Bible attacker wise in his own conceit. I believe that the question of revisions to the King James Version of 1611 is a question of the second class. If the King James Version has undergone four major revisions of its text, then to oppose further revisions on the basis of an established English text would truly be faulty. For this reason, this attack should and must be answered. Can the argument be answered? Certainly! That is the purpose of this book.

I. THE PRINTING CONDITIONS OF 1611

If God did preserve His Word in the English language through the Authorized Version of 1611 (and He did), then where is our authority for the infallible wording? Is it in the notes of the translators? Or is it to be found in the proof copy sent to the printers? If so, then our authority is lost because these papers are lost. But, you say, the authority is in the first copy, which came off the printing press. Alas, that copy has also certainly perished. In fact, if the printing of the English Bible followed the pattern of most printing jobs, the first copy was probably discarded because of bad quality. That leaves us with existing copies of the first printing. They are the ones often pointed out as the standard by which all other King James Bibles are to be compared. But are they? Can those early printers of the first edition not be allowed to make printing errors? We need to establish one thing from the out-set. The authority for our preserved English text is not found in any human work. The authority for our preserved and infallible English text is in God! Printers may foul up at times and humans will still make plenty of errors, but God in His power and mercy will preserve His text despite the weaknesses of fallible man. Now, let us look at the pressures on a printer in the year of 1611.

Although the printing press had been invented in 1450 by Johann Gutenburg in Germany (161 years before the 1611 printing), the equipment used by the printer had changed very little. Printing was still very slow and difficult. All type was set by hand, one piece at a time (that’s one piece at a time through the whole Bible), and errors were an expected part of any completed book. Because of this difficulty and also because the 1611 printers had no earlier editions from which to profit, the very first edition the King James Version had a number of printing errors. As shall later be demonstrated, these were not the sort of textual alterations, which are freely made in modern bibles. They were simple, obvious printing errors of the sort that can still be found at times in recent editions even with all of the advantages of useless, but they should be corrected in later editions.

The two original printings of the Authorized Version demonstrate the difficulty of printing in 1611 without making mistakes. Both editions were printed in Oxford. Both were printed in the same year: 1611. The same printers did both jobs. Most likely, both editions were printed on the same printing press. Yet, in a strict comparison of the two editions, approximately 100 textual differences can be found. In the same vein the King James critics can find only about 400 alleged textual alterations in the King James Version after 375 years of printing and four so-called revisions! Something is rotten in Scholarsville! The time has come to examine these "revisions."

II THE FOUR SO-CALLED REVISIONS OF 1611 KJV

Much of the information in this section is taken from a book by F.H.A. Scrivener called The Authorized Edition of the English Bible (1611), Its Subsequent Reprints and Modern Representatives. This book is as pedantic as its title indicates. The interesting point is that Scrivener, who published this book in 1884, was a member of the Revision Committee of 1881. He was not a King James Bible believer, and therefore his material is not biased toward the Authorized Version.

In the section of Scrivener’s book dealing with the KJV "revisions," one initial detail is striking. The first two so-called major revisions of the King James Bible occurred within 27 years of the original printing. (The language must have been changing very rapidly in those days.) The 1629 edition of the Bible printed in Cambridge is said to have been the first revision. A revision it was not, but simply a careful correction of earlier printing errors. Not only was this edition completed just eighteen years after the translation, but two of the men who participated in this printing, Dr. Samuel Ward and John Bois, had worked on the original translation of the King James Version. Who better to correct early errors than two that had worked on the original translation! Only nine years later and in Cambridge again, another edition came out which is supposed to have been the second major revision. Both Ward and Bois were still alive, but it is not known of they participated at this time. But even Scrivener, who as you remember worked on the English Revised Version of 1881, admitted that the Cambridge printers had simply reinstated words and clauses overlooked by the 1611 printers and amended manifest errors. According to a study which will be detailed later, 72% of the approximately 400 textual corrections in the KJV were completed by the time of the 1638 Cambridge edition, only 27 years after the original printing!

Just as the first two so-called revisions were actually two stages of one process: the purification of early printing errors, so the last two so-called revisions were two stages in another process: the standardization of the spelling. These two editions were only seven years apart (1762 and 1769) with the second one completing what the first had started. But when the scholars are numbering revisions, two sounds better than one. Very few textual corrections were necessary at this time. The thousands of alleged changes are spelling changes made to match the established correct forms. These spelling changes will be discussed later. Suffice it to say at this time that the tale of four major revisions is truly a fraud and a myth. But you say there are still changes whether they are few or many. What are you going to do with the changes that are still there? Let us now examine the character of these changes.

III THE SO-CALLED THOUSANDS OF CHANGES

Suppose someone were to take you to a museum to see an original copy of the King James Version. You come to the glass case where the Bible is displayed and look down at the opened Bible through the glass. Although you are not allowed to flip through its pages, you can readily tell that there are some very different things about this Bible from the one you own. You can hardly read its words, and those you can make out are spelled in odd and strange ways. Like others before you, you leave with the impression that the King James Version has undergone a multitude of changes since its original printing in 1611. But beware, you have just been taken by a very clever ploy. The differences you saw are not what they seem to be. Let’s examine the evidence.

PRINTING CHANGES

For proper examination, the changes can be divided into three kinds: printing changes, spelling changes, and textual changes. Printing changes will be considered first. The type style used in 1611 by the KJV translators was the Gothic Type Style. The typestyle you are reading right now and are familiar with is Roman Type. Gothic Type is sometimes called Germanic because it originated in Germany. Remember that that is where printings were invented. The Gothic letters were formed to resemble the hand-drawn manuscript lettering of the Middle ages. At first, it was the only style in use. The Roman Type Style was invented fairly early, but many years passed before it became the predominate style in most European countries. Gothic continued to be used in Germany until recent years. In 1611 in England, Roman Type was already very popular and would soon supersede the Gothic. However, the original printers chose the Gothic Style for the KJV because it was considered to be more beautiful and eloquent than the Roman. But the change to Roman Type was not long in coming. In 1612, the first King James Version using Roman Type was printed. Within a few years, all the Bibles printed used the Roman Type Style.

Please realize that a change in type style no more alters the text of the Bible than a change in format or type size does. However, the modern reader who has not become familiar with Gothic can find it very difficult to understand. Besides some general change in form, several specific letter changes need to be observed. For instance, the Gothic s looks like the Roman s when used as a capital letter or at the end of a word. But when it is used as a lower case s at the beginning or in the middle of a word, the letter looks like our f. Therefore, also becomes alfo and set becomes fet. Another variation is found in the German v and u. The Gothic v looks like a Roman u while the Gothic u looks like the Roman v. This explains why our w is called a double-u and not a double-v. Sound confusing? It is until you get used to it. In the 1611 edition, love is loue, us is vs, and ever is euer. But remember, these are not even spelling changes. They are simply type style changes. In another instance, the Gothic j looks like our i. So Jesus becomes Iefus (notice the middle s changed to f) and Joy becomes ioy. Even the Gothic d is shaped quite differently from the Roman d with the stem leaning back over the circle in a shape resembling that of the Greek Delta. These changes account for a large percentage of the "thousands" of changes in the KJV, yet they do no harm whatsoever to the text. They are nothing more than a smokescreen set up by the attackers of our English Bible.

SPELLING CHANGES

Another kind of change found in the history of the Authorized Version are changes of orthography or spelling. Most histories date the beginning of Modern English around the 1500. Therefore, by 1611 the grammatical structure and basic vocabulary of present-day English had long been established. However, the spelling did not stabilize at the same time. In the 1600’s spelling was according to whim. There was no such thing as correct spelling. No standards had been established. An author often spelled the same word several different ways, often in the same book and sometimes on the same page. And these were the educated people. Some of you reading this today would have found the 1600’s a spelling paradise. Not until the eighteenth century did the spelling begin to take a stable form. Therefore, in the last half of the eighteenth century, spelling of the King James Version of 1611 was standardized.

What kind of spelling variations can you expect to find between your present edition and the 1611 printing? Although every spelling difference cannot be categorized, several characteristics are very common. Additional e’s were often found at the end of the words such as feare, darke, and beare. Also, double vowels were much more common than they are today. You would find mee, bee, and mooued instead me, be, and moved. Double consonants were also much more common. What would ranne, euill, and ftarres be according to present-day spelling? See if you can figure them out. The present-day spellings would be ran, evil, and stars. These typographical and spelling changes account for almost all of the so-called thousands of changes in the King James Bible. None of them alter the text in any way. Therefore they cannot be honestly compared with thousands of true textual changes which are blatantly made in the modern versions.

TEXTUAL CHANGES

Almost all of the alleged changes have been accounted for. We now come to the question of actual textual differences between our present edition and that of 1611. There are some differences between the two, but they are not the changes of a revision. They are instead the correction of early printing errors. That this is a fact may be seen in three things: That this is a fact may be seen in three things: 1) the character of the changes, 2) the frequency of the changes throughout the Bible, and 3) the time the changes were made. First, let us look at the character of the changes were made. First, let us look at the character of the changes made from the time of the first printing of the Authorized English Bible.

The changes from the 1611 edition that are admittedly textual are obviously printing errors because of the nature of these changes. They are not textual changes made to alter the reading. In the first printing, words were sometimes inverted. Sometimes a plural was written as singular or visa versa. At times a word was miswritten for one that was similar. A few times a word or even a phrase was omitted. The omissions were obvious and did not have the doctrinal implications of those found in modern translations. In fact, there is really no comparison between the corrections made in the King James text and those proposed by the scholars of today.

F. H. A. Scrivener, in the appendix of his book, lists the variations between the 1611 edition of the KJV and later printings. A sampling of these corrections is given below. In order to be objective, the samples give the first textual correction on consecutive left-hand pages of Scrivener’s book. The 1611 reading is given first; then the present reading: and finally, the date the correction was first made.

1. this thing - this thing also (1638)
2. shalt have remained - ye shall have remained (1762)
3. Achzib, nor Helbath, nor Aphik - of Achzib, nor of Helbath, nor of Aphik (1762)
4. requite good - requite me good (1629)
5. this book of the Covenant - the book of this covenant (1629)
6. chief rulers - chief ruler (1629)
7. And Parbar - At Parbar (1638)
8. For this cause - And for this cause (1638)
9. For the king had appointed - for so the king had appointed (1629)
10. Seek good - seek God (1617)
11. The cormorant - But the cormorant (1629)
12. returned - turned (1769)
13. a fiery furnace - a burning fiery furnace (1638)
14. The crowned - Thy crowned (1629)
15. thy right doeth - thy right hand doeth (1613)
16. the wayes side - the way side (1743)
17. which was a Jew - which was a Jewess (1629)
18. the city - the city of the Damascenes (1629)
19. now and ever - both now and ever (1638)
20. which was of our father's - which was our fathers (1616)

Before your eyes are 5% of the textual changes made in the King James Version in 375 years. Even if they were not corrections of previous errors, they would be of no comparison to modern alterations. But they are corrections of printing errors, and therefore no comparison is at all possible. Look at the list for yourself and you will find only one that has serious implications. In fact, in an examination of Scrivener’s entire appendix, it is the only variation found by this author that could be accused of being doctrinal. I am referring to Psalm 69:32 where the 1611 edition has "seek God." Yet, even with this error, two points demonstrate that this was indeed a printing error. First, the similarity of the words "good" and "God" in spelling shows how easily a weary typesetter could misread the proof and put the wrong word in the text. Second, this error was so obvious that it was caught and corrected in the year 1617, only six years after the original printing and well before the first so-called revision. The myth that there are several major revisions to the 1611 KJV should be getting clearer. But there is more.

Not only does the character of the changes show them to be printing errors, so does their frequency. Fundamentalist scholars refer to the thousands of revisions made to the 1611 as if they were on a par with the recent Bible versions. They are not. The overwhelming majority of them are either type style or spelling changes. The few which do remain are clearly corrections of printing errors printing process. The sample list given on THE PREVIOUS PAGE will demonstrate just how careful Scrivener was in listing all the variations. Yet, even with this great care, only approximately 400 variations are named between the 1611 edition and modern copies. Remember that there were 100 variations between the first two Oxford editions which were both printed in 1611.

Since there are almost 1200 chapters in the Bible, the average variation per chapter (after 375 years) is one third, I.E. one correction per every three chapters. These are changes such as "chief ruler" and "And Parbar" to "At Parbar." But there is yet one more evidence that these variations are simply corrected printing errors: the early date at which they were corrected.

The character and frequency of the textual changes clearly separate them from modern alterations. But the time the changes were made settles the issue absolutely. The great majority of the 400 corrections were made within a few years of the original printing. Take, for example, our earlier sampling. Of the twenty corrections listed, one was made in 1613, one in 1616, one in 1617, eight in 1629, five in 1638, one in 1743, two in 1762, and one in 1769. That means that 16 out of 20 corrections, or 80%, were made within twenty-seven years of the 1611 printing. That is hardly the long drawn out series of revisions the scholars would have you to believe. In another study made by examining every other page of Scrivener’s appendix in detail, 72% of the textual corrections were made by 1638. There is no "revision" issue.

The character of the textual changes is that of obvious errors. The frequency of the textual changes is sparse, occurring only once per three chapters. The chronology of the textual changes is early with about three fourths of them occurring within twenty-seven years of the first printing. All of these details establish the fact that there were no true revisions in the sense of updating the language or correcting translation errors. There were only editions which corrected early typographical errors. Our source of authority for the exact wording of the 1611 Authorized Version is not in the existing copies of the first printing. Our source of authority for the exact wording of our English Bible is in the preserving power of Almighty God. Just as God did not leave us the original autographs to fight and squabble over, so He did not see fit to leave us the proof copy of the translation. Our authority is in the hand of God as always. You can praise the Lord for that!

IV. CHANGES IN THE BOOK OF ECCLESIASTES

An in-depth study of the changes made in the book of Ecclesiastes should help to illustrate the principles stated above. The author is grateful to Dr. Dave Reese of Millbrook, Alabama, for his work in this area. By comparing a 1611 reprint of the original edition put out by Thomas Nelson & Sons with a recent printing of the King James Version, Dr. Reese was able to locate four variations in the book of Ecclesiastes. The reference is given first; then the text of the Thomas Nelson 1611 reprint. This is followed by the reading of the present editions of the 1611 KJV and the date the change was made.

1. 1:5 the place - his place (1638)
2. 2:16 shall be - shall all be (1629)
3. 8:17 out, yea further - out, yet he shall not find it; yea farther (1629)
4. 11: 17 thing is it - thing it is (?)

Several things should be noted about these changes. The last variation ("thing is it" to "thing it is") is not mentioned by Scrivener who was a very careful and accurate scholar. Therefore, this change may be a misprint in the Thomas Nelson reprint. That would be interesting. The corrected omission in chapter eight is one of the longest corrections of the original printing. But notice that it was corrected in 1629. The frequency of printing errors is average (four errors in twelve chapters). But the most outstanding fact is that the entire book of Ecclesiastes reads exactly like our present editions without even printing errors by the year 1638. That’s approximately 350 years ago. By that time, the Bible was being printed in Roman type. Therefore, all (and I mean all) that has changed in 350 years in the book of Ecclesiastes is that the spelling has been standardized! As stated before, the main purpose of the 1629 and 1638 Cambridge editions was the correction of earlier printing errors. And the main purpose of the 1762 and 1769 editions was the standardization of spelling.

V. THE SO-CALLED JUSTIFICATION FOR OTHER REVISIONS

Maybe now you see that the King James Version of 1611 has not been revised but only corrected. But why does it make that much difference? Although there are several reasons why this issue is important, the most pressing one is that fundamentalist scholars are using this myth of past revisions to justify their own tampering with the text. The editors of the New King James Version have probably been the worst in recent years to use this propaganda ploy. In the preface of the New King James they have stated, "For nearly four hundred years, and throughout several revisions of its English form, the King James Bible has been deeply revered among the English-speaking peoples of the world." In the midst of their flowery rhetoric, they strongly imply that their edition is only a continuation of the revisions that have been going on for the past 375 years. This implication, which has been stated directly by others, could not be more false. To prove this point, we will go back to the book of Ecclesiastes.

An examination of the first chapter in Ecclesiastes in the New King James Version reveals approximately 50 changes from our present edition. In order to be fair, spelling changes (cometh to comes; labour to labor; etc.) were not included in this count. That means there are probably about 600 alterations in the book of Ecclesiastes and approximately 60, 000 changes in the entire Bible. If you accuse me of including every recognizable change, you are correct. But I am only counting the sort of changes which were identified in analyzing the 1611 King James. That’s only fair. Still, the number of changes is especially baffling for a version which claims to be an updating in the same vein as earlier revisions. According to the fundamentalist scholar, the New King James is only a fifth in a series of revisions. Then pray tell me how "four "revisions" and 375 years brought only 400 changes while the fifth revision brought about 60,000 additional changes? That means that the fifth revision made 150 times more changes than the total number of changes in the first four! That’s preposterous!

Not only is the frequency of the changes unbelievable, but the character of the alterations are serious. Although many of the alterations seem harmless enough at first glance, many are much more serious. The editors of the New King James Version were sly enough not to alter the most serious blunders of the modern bibles. Yet, they were not afraid to change the reading in those places that are unfamiliar to the average fundamentalist. In these areas, the New King James Version is dangerous. Below are some of the more harmful alterations made in the book of Ecclesiastes. The reference is given first; then the reading as found in the King James Version: and last, the reading as found in the New King James Version.

• 1:13 sore travail; grievous task
• 1:14 vexation of spirit; grasping for the wind
• 1:16 my heart had great experience of wisdom; My heart has understood great wisdom
• 2:3 to give myself unto; to gratify my flesh with
• 2:3 acquainting; guiding
• 2:21 equity; skill
• 3:10 the travail, which God hath given; the God-given task
• 3:11 the world; eternity
• 3:18 that God might manifest them; God tests them
• 3:18 they themselves are beasts; they themselves are like beasts
• 3:22 portion; heritage
• 4:4 right work; skillful work
• 5:1 Keep thy foot; Walk prudently
• 5:6 the angel; the messenger of God
• 5:6 thy voice; your excuse
• 5:8 he that is higher than the highest; high official
• 5:20 God answereth him; God keeps him busy
• 6:3 untimely birth; stillborn child
• 7:29 inventions; schemes
• 8:1 boldness; sterness
• 8:10 the place of the holy; the place of holiness
• 10:1 Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to send forth a stinking savour; Dead flies putrefy the perfumer's ointment
• 10:10 If the iron be blunt; If the ax is dull
• 10:10 wisdom is profitable to direct; wisdom brings success
• 12:9 gave good heed; pondered
• 12:11 the masters of assemblies; scholars

This is only a sampling of the changes in the book, but notice what is done. Equity, which is a trait of godliness, becomes skill (2:21). The world becomes eternity (3:11) Man without God is no longer a beast but just like a beast (3:18). The clear reference to deity in Ecclesiastes 5:8 ("he that is higher than the highest") is successfully removed ("higher official"). But since success is what wisdom is supposed to bring us (10:10), this must be progress. At least God is keeping the scholars busy (5:20). Probably the most revealing of the above mentioned changes is the last one listed where "the masters of assemblies" become "scholars." According to the New King James, "the words of scholars are like well-driven nails, given by one Shepherd." The masters of assemblies are replaced by the scholars who become the source of the Shepherd’s words. That is what these scholars would like us to think, but it is not true.

In conclusion, the New King James is not a revision in the vein of former revisions of the King James Version. It is instead an entirely new translation. As stated in the introduction, the purpose of this book is not to convince those who use the other versions. The purpose of this book is to expose a fallacious argument that has been circulating in fundamentalist circles for what it is: an overblown myth. That is, the myth that the New King James Version and others like it are nothing more than continuation of revisions which have periodically been made to the King James Version since 1611. There is one problem with this theory. There are no such revisions.

The King James Bible of 1611 has not undergone four (or any) major revisions. Therefore, the New King James Version is not a continuation of what has gone on before. It should in fact be called the Thomas Nelson Version. They hold the copyright. The King James Version we have today has not been revised but purified. We still have no reason to doubt that the Bible we hold in our hands is the very word of God preserved for us in the English language. The authority for its veracity lies not in the first printing of the King James Version in 1611, or in the character of King James I, or in the scholarship of the 1611 translators, or in the literary accomplishments of Elizabethan England, or even in the Greek Received Text. Our authority for the infallible words of the English Bible lies in the power and promise of God to preserve His Word! God has the power. We have His Word.

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1455: Gutenberg Printing Press

BibleMuseum | May 19, 2009 | 6 likes, 2 dislikes

The Printing Press that Revolutionized the World: Gutenberg and His Movable Type
Though printing was in use long before goldsmith Johann Gutenberg's time—especially with the Chinese—Gutenberg made it available to the public through his movable type press. Although the press has no surviving blueprints, it is known that his machine was similar to the olive and wine presses—a wooden device based on a moving screw at the center, through which the operator could apply pressure to the object being manufactured. Gutenberg and his assistants would lay out the movable type, letter by letter, until it formed the page they desired to print. This type was housed in a wooden box, and was moistened with an oil-based ink. When the paper was laid on top of the type, and pressed with the wooden screw device, one page was printed. Although it still took a very long time to print each page, the process was faster than the hand-lettered books of the day, and still preserved the beautiful handwork of the scribes. Gutenberg's invention of the printing press also helped to spread the fires of the Protestant Reformation, as Bibles, books, and other written works were spread to the public and other printing firms began to be established. The Bible—the first item printed on his press—was the 42-line Latin Bible, a beautiful copy of the Scriptures and a monument to both printing and the Word of God.

Gutenberg's Press

- A Demonstration

mhuntsbe | January 27, 2010 | 3 likes, 0 dislikes

This video documents a demonstration of the original Gutenberg printing press, conducted as part of a tour of the Gutenberg Museum in Mainz, Germany.

This video was produced by Michael Huntsberger, Ph.D. The video was originally distributed in the fall of 2008 as a portion of a video podcast created for Furman University. The content is intended for noncommercial education purposes only. No portion of this video, including audio tracks, may be used without the expressed written permission of Dr. Michael Huntsberger, Linfield College, USA.

Letterpress at Brightwork Press -

Wood Type for LA mag.mov

TheBrightwork | January 05, 2010 | 7 likes, 0 dislikes

A quick tour of Brightwork Press on New Years day. Setting wood type, and designing on the bed of the press for some display typography commissioned Los Angeles Magazine.

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Other Christs by Bryan Denlinger

This is so very sick!

Please, Roman Catholics!

Do wake up!!

Other Christs

husky394xp | December 23, 2009 | 14 likes, 0 dislikes

In this video I show the Roman Catholic teaching on man becoming God and or Christ!

Other Christs Part 2

husky394xp | December 25, 2009 | 7 likes, 0 dislikes

This is a follow-up to my other video. I didn't think to watch the first "Other Christs" video before I uploaded it. I did make sure to watch this video, and everything looks good.

My desire in making these videos is to show Catholic people that their religion is NOT found in scripture. Salvation can only be found through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, by FAITH alone!

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What about prophets today?

This was posted back on October 19, 2010, and because a very good Berean asked about the Seventh Day Adventist Church, I feel I can do no better than Bryan Denlinger's response! So here it is:


Oh! What a blessing of incomparable proportion it is to have the beautiful circle of true brothers and sisters in Christ that I have on YouTube!

I had written my dear brother Bryan regarding a question posed to me by a dear new King James Believer who lives in Kerala, India, to whom Dave (BereanBeacon) arranged to get a King James Bible, that I did not feel qualified to answer, and here, as promptly as usual, is his reply!

Here is the original query:

Hi dear sister helga,

As i told u, i am busy with my studies .
I hope that my huge exam finishes soon so that i will have time to
speak with u about our lord.

I asked to D. [name omitted] that,
“ was there prophets after the birth of our lord Jesus Christ”..??

And he told me that,
” in bible it says that there will be prophets during last days...
As we know from bible, at the end times a lot many false prophets will come but
true prophets(though very few) also will be there at that time."

He send me a text file which contains the bible quoting which supports
the presence of prophets (from new testament).
He told me to share his humble work with you too, sis..
I have send it to you along with this mail..

Please do read it when u have time and kindly replay me, about your
comments on it..

(sis, my pal D. believes that Ellen G white(of 18th century) is a
true prophet, he told me that all her prophecies up to now, turned out
to be true.. she also prophesied about Sunday law and D. says
that within a decade it will also come true in the whole world)

Sister sometimes he might be wrong, he is also young like me...
We both are just pure green horns and pewees , but we do want to know
the truth.
So please do tell your valuable comments on it...

We are truly blessed to have you sister ..

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it
shall be opened unto you- Matthew 7:7

With love, respect and prayers
Your brother in Christ,
J.

I responded by writing Bryan Denlinger (http://www.youtube.com/user/husky394xp):

Dear brother Bryan,

This young man, J...., is from India, and a brand new believer in the King James Bible.

I do not feel qualified to respond to this his inquiry, which I pray, and would be very thankful, if you might help answer.

May God bless you.

Love in Christ,

Helga


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Hi Sister Helga,

It's good to hear from you again! I will send my response to this young man from India, to you and you can forward it to him. He might not recognize my email address, and he might delete my message by mistake. Also, you can use my answer to him for anyone in the future who raises these same questions.

Here we go;

[all Bible references given at the end, in the order of mention]

What about prophets today?

Many people make the mistake of thinking that everything in the New Testament was meant to be permanent. This is NOT true. You must remember that the Bible was not completed until the end of the first century, so many early believers did not have access to the book of Revelation. They did not know what the future held. We DO know today however! (1 Peter 2:19-21)

Immediately following the resurrection, Jesus told His disciples that they were going to be given "sign gifts" to confirm the word of God. (Mark 16:17-20) This happened first on the Jewish feast day of Pentecost in Acts chapter 2. 1 Corinthians 1:22 explains that the Jews REQUIRE a sign, and the Gentiles seek after "wisdom". The gospel was first preached to the Jews, so the sign gifts of healing, speaking in tongues, and prophesying were being performed by the early Christians.

When Paul showed up, he began preaching to the Jews. But the Lord eventually revealed our present gospel to Paul (Ephesians 3:1-8). As time went by, the Jews rejected Jesus Christ more and more until Paul said that he would preach exclusively to the Gentiles. (Acts 18:5-6) At this point, you can see the sign gifts starting to disappear. By the time Paul is writing to the young preacher Timothy, he is telling him that he couldn't heal a man named "Trophimus". (2 Timothy 4:20)

So the sign gift of a prophet went away for two reasons. First, it was originally given to convert the Jews (who required signs to confirm the word). Secondly, after the Bible was completed, Christians are now able to know the future. In THAT sense we can still prophecy to people, by telling them what God's word says about the future. But when someone today comes out and claims to be a "prophet" you had better watch out, and check EVERYTHING that they say with the King James Bible!!

Which brings me to the subject of Ellen G. White. Without going into a very long discussion on her teachings, I will say quickly that she was VERY wrong on a number of points! Her big claim to fame is that Christians are to worship on Saturday instead of Sunday. She equated Sunday worship with taking the mark of the beast in Revelation 13. BUT, what does the Bible say concerning "keeping the Sabbath" as a New Testament Christian?

Why don't Christians keep the Sabbath day? Simple. It was given to the Jews as a SIGN. (Read Ezekiel 20:19-20) 1 Corinthians 1:22 explains that the Jews REQUIRE a sign. After Jesus was risen from the grave, the Jewish apostles first preached to the Jews and confirmed "the word with signs following." (Mark 16:20)

The Jews rejected Jesus as a nation (some individual Jews were saved in the book of Acts, just as some are still saved today) and the gospel was taken to the Gentile people. (Acts 18:6) Paul becomes the "apostle of the Gentiles" (Romans 11:13) and gives the saved Jews and Gentiles, (who are now called "Christians") the commandments for us today. (See Romans 13:9) Keeping the Sabbath day is never mentioned by Paul!

There are also three places where the early Christians were meeting on the "first day of the week", which would be Sunday. See John 20:19, Acts 20:7, and 1 Corinthians 16:1-2. Also if you read Romans 14:5, you will see that we are not to make a big deal over what day we worship on. Christians living in Communist or Islamic countries, cannot meet on the same day every week!

So there is NO basis in scripture for Ellen G. White's claims. She is a liar! But it gets even worse than that! The Jewish calender has 360 days as opposed to our 365 days. So when a Seventh Day Adventist (Ellen G. White's followers) worships every week on Saturday, they aren't even keeping the Biblical "Sabbath" day!!! They are basing their "Sabbath days" on our pagan calender, NOT on the true Jewish days, which sometimes fall on our Mondays, Tuesdays, or Wednesdays!

Don't be deceived by the false prophet Ellen G. White. (Also read 1 Timothy 2:11-12) If any system of "Christianity" has a man or a woman's name attached to it, you don't want to be part of it! (CALVINism, LUTHERan, MENNOnite, etc.) The King James Bible ALONE is to be your FINAL AUTHORITY in ALL matters of faith and practice!

In Christ,
Bryan Denlinger


NOTE: A few days later, my dear brother Jithin (he had noticed I mentioned not having asked his permission to print his name, and said he had no problems with my doing so) had more to ask our brother Bryan. Both, query and response have I posted in What about prophets today? (continuation...)

1 Peter 2:19-21 (King James Bible)

¹⁹For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.

²⁰For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

²¹For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

Mark 16:17-20 (King James Bible)

¹⁷And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

¹⁸They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

¹⁹So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

²⁰And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Acts 2 (King James Bible)

¹And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

²And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

³And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

⁴And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

⁵And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

⁶Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

⁷And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

⁸And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

⁹Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

¹⁰Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

¹¹Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

¹²And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

¹³Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

¹⁴But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

¹⁵For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

¹⁶But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

¹⁷And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

¹⁸And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

¹⁹And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

²⁰The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

²¹And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

²²Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

²³Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

²⁴Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

²⁵For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

²⁶Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

²⁷Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

²⁸Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

²⁹Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

³⁰Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

³¹He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

³²This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

³³Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

³⁴For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

³⁵Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

³⁶Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

³⁷Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

³⁸Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

³⁹For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

⁴⁰And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

⁴¹Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

⁴²And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

⁴³And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

⁴⁴And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

⁴⁵And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

⁴⁶And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

⁴⁷Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

1 Corinthians 1:22 (King James Bible)

²²For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

Ephesians 3:1-8 (King James Bible)

¹For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

²If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

³How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

⁴Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

⁵Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

⁶That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

⁷Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

⁸Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

Acts 18:5-6 (King James Bible)

⁵And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.

⁶And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean; from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

2 Timothy 4:20 (King James Bible)

²⁰Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.

Revelation 13 (King James Bible)

¹And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

²And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

³And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

⁴And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

⁵And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

⁶And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

⁷And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

⁸And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

⁹If any man have an ear, let him hear.

¹⁰He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

¹¹And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

¹²And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

¹³And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

¹⁴And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

¹⁵And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

¹⁶And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

¹⁷And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

¹⁸Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Ezekiel 20:19-20 (King James Bible)

¹⁹I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;

²⁰And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

1 Corinthians 1:22 (King James Bible)
²²For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:


Mark 16:20 (King James Bible)

²⁰And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.


Acts 18:6 (King James Bible)

⁶And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean; from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.


Romans 11:13 (King James Bible)

¹³For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:


Romans 13:9 (King James Bible)

⁹For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

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What about prophets today? (continuation...)

Oh! It brings such joy to my heart to see the likes of my young friend from India taking to heart the teachings in the word of God! A true Berean is he!

Upon receiving brother Bryan Denlinger's response that I had forwarded him (and posted on my blog What about prophets today?), he wrote to me saying he was so very impressed with his concise answer. Here he also responds to brother Bryan, and asks further:


Dear brother Bryan,

I am J. from India who raised the question about prophets
(through sister Helga).

I am profusely blessed to get your profound reply.

I am happy to say that, many of my doubts are cleared.

But still one more stands..
Brother, can there be any (at least one) true prophets at the end times,
because Acts 2:17 says that

"And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour
out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters
shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men
shall dream dreams"

but still
in
Hebrews 1:(1-2)

1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past
unto the fathers by the prophets,

2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath
appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

It confuses and puts me in dilemma.
I do believe that in KJV of bible there exist no contradictions,
but Acts 2:17 and Hebrews 1:(1-2) looks problematic(contradicts) to
my little mind.


It would be a great help, if u could clear my doubts, by your valuable reply..

Love In Christ,
J.


I am so very grateful that someone as busy as brother Bryan is, takes the time to respond, in true Christlike fashion! Praise God!:


Hello brother J[name withheld - I forgot to ask him for permission to divulge it],

Thank you for your kind words concerning the information I wrote on
the subject of prophets. I am happy that you were able to learn from
it.

I should have been a little clearer on Acts 2 versus Hebrews 1. I'll
try to explain it better in this email.

Whenever you study God's word, you must always keep 2 Timothy 2:15 in mind.

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not
to be ashamed, rightly DIVIDING the word of truth."

The problem comes when we try to make the whole Bible say the same
thing, because it doesn't! You must keep in mind that God wrote
different portions of scripture to different groups of people. For
example, compare the Old Testament laws found in Leviticus, to the way
Paul writes to Christians. There is a VERY obvious difference!

Also, when reading the Bible you have to keep a passage's HISTORICAL
context in mind too. In other words, the early part of the book of
Acts was written at a time when the book of Revelation had NOT yet
been written. So these early Christians would not understand all that
we can read about today.

The early Christians were also preaching mostly to the Jews. It wasn't
really till Paul showed up, that our present gospel was being preached
to non-Jewish people like you and me. So the early Jewish Christians
were thinking about promises being fulfilled that God had spoken in
the Old Testament, specifically to the nation of Israel.

Now having said all of that, we will look at what was happening in Acts 2.

First turn to Acts 1:4-5. Here Jesus is still on the earth after His
resurrection. He tells the early Christians that they are to remain in
Jerusalem until the Holy Ghost comes upon them. Now look at what they
say to Jesus in verse 6. "Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again
the kingdom to Israel?" In verse 7, Jesus responds that it wasn't up
to them to know when His second coming would be.

Now, the thing you need to understand about this is that the Jews at
that time were waiting to have their nation restored. Jerusalem was
under the control of Rome. They knew that the Bible prophesied that
one day Jesus would restore the nation of Israel, and that He would
rule from Jerusalem. BUT, they did not know about the events of
Revelation!

In Acts 2, they received the Holy Ghost (just like Jesus said they
would) and they began to preach to the people. Peter believed that
Jesus was going to be returning soon, and so he preached from Joel
2:28-32 (Acts 2:16-20) which tells of the second coming of Jesus
Christ. The predominately Jewish crowd would have been able to
understand this prophecy from Joel.

Now, it is important to realize that Peter believed that Jesus was
going to be returning very soon. But he didn't realize that there was
going to be a 2,000 year period of time before Christ's second coming.
The "mystery of the church" was revealed first to Paul. (Ephesians
3:1-7)

So, while the Bible does teach that there were "prophets" in the early
church. The actual events of Acts 2:16-20 have NOT taken place yet.
Acts 2:19-20 describes what will happen immediately before Jesus
physically returns to the earth. Compare these two verses with Matthew
24:29-30 and Mark 13:24-26.

The term "day of the Lord" refers to Christ's 1,000 year kingdom which
He sets up here on the earth. (Read 2 Peter 3:8 and you will see that
ONE day with the Lord is as 1,000 years) This 1,000 year "DAY of the
Lord" begins with His second coming at the end of the 7 year long
great tribulation.

Now, before His second coming occurs, the Jews are going to
"prophecy". One of the reasons for this is that in the coming time of
great tribulation, the Antichrist is going to outlaw the Bible.
Revelation 6:9 describes saints who are executed for "the word of
God." Mark 13:11 says that the Holy Ghost will speak through them when
they are brought in for their trial. Today we do have God's written
word in the King James Bible.

The Bible teaches that the Christians are going to leave (1
Corinthians 15:51-53 & 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18) before the Antichrist
shows up. After this "rapture" of Christians, God turns His attention
to the nation of Israel. The Jews require "signs" before they will
believe. (1 Corinthians 1:22) So God is going to give them seven years
of signs and wonders, to show them that Jesus Christ was and IS their
messiah. This time period ends with the fulfillment of Acts 2:16-20,
Joel 2:28-32, Matthew 24, and Mark 13.

What about Hebrews 1:1-2? The Old Testament prophets in verse 1,
prophesied the events of Jesus Christ's first coming to die on the
cross. (Isaiah chapter 53) They also prophesied Christ's second coming
to bring in His kingdom. (Joel 2:28-32) So what is at the center of
their "prophecy"? Jesus Christ, the Son of God! Read Revelation 19:10.
It says, "...the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy". Jesus'
life is the fulfillment of prophecy.

Hebrews 1:1-2 is saying that Jesus is at the center of bible prophecy.
When we tell people how Jesus died on the cross for their sins, we are
confirming the Old Testament prophecies about Jesus Christ. When we
tell people that Jesus is coming back again, we are giving a prophecy
about His second coming. The events of Acts 2:16-20, haven't happened
yet. BUT they will occur shortly before Christ's return.

Unfortunately, many false "prophets" today try to claim that they are
fulfilling Acts 2:16-18, and yet they somehow miss verses 19 and 20!
We are to speak to people about the Lord Jesus Christ. We are NOT to
take verses out of context, to try and prove things that don't line up
with scripture.

I hope that clears things up for you. Sorry that this email got so
long! But it is a very complex subject.

Your brother in Christ.
Bryan Denlinger

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Oh! What a blessing of incomparable proportion it is to have the beautiful circle of true brothers and sisters in Christ that I have on YouTube!

I had written my dear brother Bryan regarding a question posed to me by a dear new King James Believer who lives in Kerala, India, to whom Dave (BereanBeacon) arranged to get a King James Bible, that I did not feel qualified to answer, and here, as promptly as usual, is his reply!

Here is the original query:

Hi dear sister helga,

As i told u, i am busy with my studies .
I hope that my huge exam finishes soon so that i will have time to
speak with u about our lord.

I asked to D. [name omitted] that,
“ was there prophets after the birth of our lord Jesus Christ”..??

And he told me that,
” in bible it says that there will be prophets during last days...
As we know from bible, at the end times a lot many false prophets will come but
true prophets(though very few) also will be there at that time."

He send me a text file which contains the bible quoting which supports
the presence of prophets (from new testament).
He told me to share his humble work with you too, sis..
I have send it to you along with this mail..

Please do read it when u have time and kindly replay me, about your
comments on it..

(sis, my pal D. believes that Ellen G white(of 18th century) is a
true prophet, he told me that all her prophecies up to now, turned out
to be true.. she also prophesied about Sunday law and D. says
that within a decade it will also come true in the whole world)

Sister sometimes he might be wrong, he is also young like me...
We both are just pure green horns and pewees , but we do want to know
the truth.
So please do tell your valuable comments on it...

We are truly blessed to have you sister ..

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it
shall be opened unto you- Matthew 7:7

With love, respect and prayers
Your brother in Christ,
J.

I responded by writing Bryan Denlinger (http://www.youtube.com/user/husky394xp):

Dear brother Bryan,

This young man, J...., is from India, and a brand new believer in the King James Bible.

I do not feel qualified to respond to this his inquiry, which I pray, and would be very thankful, if you might help answer.

May God bless you.

Love in Christ,

Helga


...and here is Bryan's invaluable response, just gotten:


Hi Sister Helga,

It's good to hear from you again! I will send my response to this young man from India, to you and you can forward it to him. He might not recognize my email address, and he might delete my message by mistake. Also, you can use my answer to him for anyone in the future who raises these same questions.

Here we go;

[all Bible references given at the end, in the order of mention]

What about prophets today?

Many people make the mistake of thinking that everything in the New Testament was meant to be permanent. This is NOT true. You must remember that the Bible was not completed until the end of the first century, so many early believers did not have access to the book of Revelation. They did not know what the future held. We DO know today however! (1 Peter 2:19-21)

Immediately following the resurrection, Jesus told His disciples that they were going to be given "sign gifts" to confirm the word of God. (Mark 16:17-20) This happened first on the Jewish feast day of Pentecost in Acts chapter 2. 1 Corinthians 1:22 explains that the Jews REQUIRE a sign, and the Gentiles seek after "wisdom". The gospel was first preached to the Jews, so the sign gifts of healing, speaking in tongues, and prophesying were being performed by the early Christians.

When Paul showed up, he began preaching to the Jews. But the Lord eventually revealed our present gospel to Paul (Ephesians 3:1-8). As time went by, the Jews rejected Jesus Christ more and more until Paul said that he would preach exclusively to the Gentiles. (Acts 18:5-6) At this point, you can see the sign gifts starting to disappear. By the time Paul is writing to the young preacher Timothy, he is telling him that he couldn't heal a man named "Trophimus". (2 Timothy 4:20)

So the sign gift of a prophet went away for two reasons. First, it was originally given to convert the Jews (who required signs to confirm the word). Secondly, after the Bible was completed, Christians are now able to know the future. In THAT sense we can still prophecy to people, by telling them what God's word says about the future. But when someone today comes out and claims to be a "prophet" you had better watch out, and check EVERYTHING that they say with the King James Bible!!

Which brings me to the subject of Ellen G. White. Without going into a very long discussion on her teachings, I will say quickly that she was VERY wrong on a number of points! Her big claim to fame is that Christians are to worship on Saturday instead of Sunday. She equated Sunday worship with taking the mark of the beast in Revelation 13. BUT, what does the Bible say concerning "keeping the Sabbath" as a New Testament Christian?

Why don't Christians keep the Sabbath day? Simple. It was given to the Jews as a SIGN. (Read Ezekiel 20:19-20) 1 Corinthians 1:22 explains that the Jews REQUIRE a sign. After Jesus was risen from the grave, the Jewish apostles first preached to the Jews and confirmed "the word with signs following." (Mark 16:20)

The Jews rejected Jesus as a nation (some individual Jews were saved in the book of Acts, just as some are still saved today) and the gospel was taken to the Gentile people. (Acts 18:6) Paul becomes the "apostle of the Gentiles" (Romans 11:13) and gives the saved Jews and Gentiles, (who are now called "Christians") the commandments for us today. (See Romans 13:9) Keeping the Sabbath day is never mentioned by Paul!

There are also three places where the early Christians were meeting on the "first day of the week", which would be Sunday. See John 20:19, Acts 20:7, and 1 Corinthians 16:1-2. Also if you read Romans 14:5, you will see that we are not to make a big deal over what day we worship on. Christians living in Communist or Islamic countries, cannot meet on the same day every week!

So there is NO basis in scripture for Ellen G. White's claims. She is a liar! But it gets even worse than that! The Jewish calender has 360 days as opposed to our 365 days. So when a Seventh Day Adventist (Ellen G. White's followers) worships every week on Saturday, they aren't even keeping the Biblical "Sabbath" day!!! They are basing their "Sabbath days" on our pagan calender, NOT on the true Jewish days, which sometimes fall on our Mondays, Tuesdays, or Wednesdays!

Don't be deceived by the false prophet Ellen G. White. (Also read 1 Timothy 2:11-12) If any system of "Christianity" has a man or a woman's name attached to it, you don't want to be part of it! (CALVINism, LUTHERan, MENNOnite, etc.) The King James Bible ALONE is to be your FINAL AUTHORITY in ALL matters of faith and practice!

In Christ,
Bryan Denlinger


NOTE: A few days later, my dear brother Jithin (he had noticed I mentioned not having asked his permission to print his name, and said he had no problems with my doing so) had more to ask our brother Bryan. Both, query and response have I posted in What about prophets today? (continuation...)

1 Peter 2:19-21 (King James Bible)

¹⁹For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.

²⁰For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

²¹For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

Mark 16:17-20 (King James Bible)

¹⁷And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

¹⁸They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

¹⁹So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

²⁰And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Acts 2 (King James Bible)

¹And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

²And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

³And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

⁴And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

⁵And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

⁶Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

⁷And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

⁸And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

⁹Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

¹⁰Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

¹¹Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

¹²And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

¹³Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

¹⁴But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

¹⁵For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

¹⁶But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

¹⁷And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

¹⁸And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

¹⁹And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

²⁰The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

²¹And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

²²Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

²³Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

²⁴Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

²⁵For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

²⁶Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

²⁷Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

²⁸Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

²⁹Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

³⁰Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

³¹He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

³²This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

³³Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

³⁴For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

³⁵Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

³⁶Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

³⁷Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

³⁸Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

³⁹For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

⁴⁰And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

⁴¹Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

⁴²And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

⁴³And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

⁴⁴And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

⁴⁵And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

⁴⁶And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

⁴⁷Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

1 Corinthians 1:22 (King James Bible)

²²For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

Ephesians 3:1-8 (King James Bible)

¹For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

²If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

³How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

⁴Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

⁵Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

⁶That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

⁷Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

⁸Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

Acts 18:5-6 (King James Bible)

⁵And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.

⁶And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean; from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

2 Timothy 4:20 (King James Bible)

²⁰Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.

Revelation 13 (King James Bible)

¹And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

²And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

³And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

⁴And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

⁵And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

⁶And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

⁷And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

⁸And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

⁹If any man have an ear, let him hear.

¹⁰He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

¹¹And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

¹²And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

¹³And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

¹⁴And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

¹⁵And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

¹⁶And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

¹⁷And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

¹⁸Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Ezekiel 20:19-20 (King James Bible)

¹⁹I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;

²⁰And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

1 Corinthians 1:22 (King James Bible)
²²For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:


Mark 16:20 (King James Bible)

²⁰And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.


Acts 18:6 (King James Bible)

⁶And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean; from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.


Romans 11:13 (King James Bible)

¹³For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:


Romans 13:9 (King James Bible)

⁹For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

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