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Monday, March 11, 2013

Hebrew Roots Movement by Pastor Mike Hoggard

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"...the only way to really understand the NT,... 
which means you've got to learn the Hebrew..."

This is a very insidious fad that seems to be sweeping through Christian churches, deceitfully sounding like it is quite alright, yet it is not!  It is no more that a bunch of Judeaizers who aim to keep you from the simplicity that is in Christ alone!

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Mike Hoggard Bethel Church 
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Pastor Hoggard uses the King James Bible to teach how very dangerous the Hebrew Roots Movement has become today. Those in this movement teach that to follow Jesus you must be familiar with and keep the Jewish Torah. It is another Gospel, as Pastor Hoggard proves from the Bible, designed to keep people away from the Second Covenant of the New Testament, Truth, and salvation by faith in Jesus Christ.

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Thursday, February 7, 2013

Chapter II: Pastor Ed Rice of Good Samaritan's Penny Pulpit: a liar and a fool

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It seems our good pastor doesn't know the meaning of the word "goodbye!"

He claims to know Hebrew and Greek, but obviously, not English!

The following is self-evident.

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Re: Plese read this! Re: Join A Biblical Hebrew Study Group Free

Wednesday, February 6, 2013 12:19 PM
From: 
To: "Helga"

Dear Helga,
I am sorry you consider me the enemy.  I didn't mean to lite your short fuse. You are wrong on several counts, but perhaps it will take you a week or two to let your verbose anger out.  I'll write then.
Pastor Ed Rice

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Re: Plese read this! Re: Join A Biblical Hebrew Study Group Free

Wednesday, February 6, 2013 12:23 PM
From: "Helga"
To: "Ed Rice"


Please don't write again!  I cannot stand hypocrites, and you are certainly one!
GOODBYE!

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Good Bye - Really?

Thursday, February 7, 2013 2:33 PM
From: "Ed Rice"

To: "Helga"

Dear Helga,
I have written two short essays addressing the foolishness in which you are dabbling.  You are not alone with incongruent responses.  I will choose one essay to publish.  But your responses are so obstinate that you deserve  both essays.  Pay attention and learn something.
Pastor Ed Rice
God's Hebrew is Like Technicolor
When we stood on the Southern Steps of the Temple in Jerusalem we stood where Jesus stood, we walked where Jesus walked, we sat and listened where his disciples sat and listened; Yeah, on the very same stones. It took my Bible from black and white to living technicolor. It seems acceptable to make such analogy and use that illustration. But when I said studying Greek and Hebrew did the same thing for me, I was amazed at the backlash from King James Onlyites who expected I had abandoned and threatened their reverence for the King James English. One might be a little sensitive for infidels who say “A better translation is ...” I get that. But being called a hypocrite and turncoat for loving the experience of learning Greek or Hebrew is a little cultic. Holy Scripture is not purified the 7th time in the English as some have errantly supposed. The King James does not supersede nor exceed the Original Languages. Reading the original languages does indeed bring a vibrant new life and aspect to the Scripture just as much as standing on the Sea of Galilee and boarding a replica of the fishing boat Peter stepped out of enlivens a new awareness of Scripture. It is still like going from black and white and stepping into living color. I can declare so while still testifying that the King James is a perfect English translation of God's original languages. That is not hypocritical! Satan teamed with Brook Foss Westcott (1825-1903) and Fenton John Anthony Hort (1828-1892) to malign and destroy the Greek manuscript line and produce every bastardized modernist English bible in existence. That does not make the study and use of Greek the culprit! Those in the King James Only camps need to set aside their Greek & Hebrew phobias. Just because a Pastor uses a Strong's Concordance or loves the study of Hebrew that does not make them compromised; indeed it makes him competent. Does everyone need to stand on Mount Moriah or Mount Calvary to grow? Give me a break! I stand by my colloquial quote. Learning Greek or Hebrew is still like adding living color! Let's all mature a little bit.
And you still have time to join that Hebrew study group.
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King James English vs God's Hebrew
Some responses to a recent promotion for a Biblical Hebrew study group leads to this teachable moment. It was therein said “Read your Bible in the King James English and it is black and white with clarity. Read your Bible in the original languages and it is in living color.” Three kinder responses included 1) “You, a KJVonlyite, can't really mean that about the original language of Scripture being technicolor?”; 2) “Truth is, I find the King James English Bible to be in vibrant, living color itself.” 3) ”Really? Then ...we MISS A LOT by trusting ONLY in the King James Bible!! There is so much more room for growth OUTSIDE of reading the King James Bible, say you!”
   When such a colloquial illustration about God's original languages can illicit questioning ones King James Only stance, perhaps we can all learn something. Truth is God gave us His holy Scripture in Hebrew and Greek1 and their nuances will not be completely captured in any translation; ergo their study brings the black and white into living technicolor, even as visiting Israel and standing on the stairs of the temple in Jerusalem does. It is not for everyone to read such or to take that trip. Understand that although one cannot improve on the King James English translation it is a translation. It is not purified the 7th time in the English as some have errantly supposed, but is a perfect English translation of God's original languages. Satan teamed with Brook Foss Westcott (1825-1903) and Fenton John Anthony Hort (1828-1892) to melign and destroy the Greek manuscript line and produce every bastardized modernist English bible in existence. That does not make the study and use of Greek the culprit. So too a modernized corrupted Hebrew was used for the NKJV2, but the Masoretic3 Hebrew Text is still worthy of our study. Don't be intimidated by the cultic cries, if possible, learn Greek, learn Hebrew and stand where Jesus stood on the Southern Steps of the Temple. If you have the truth, it will make it like technicolor. I stand by my colloquial illustration.
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1Some infidels falsely claim significant portions are in Aramaic
2See GSBaptistChurch.com\kjv\nkjv.pdf
3“The word 'Masoretic' comes form masor a Hebrew word meaning 'traditional.' The Masoretes handed down this text from generation to generation, guarded it and kept it.” Dr. Wait pg 20

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Re: Good Bye - Really?

Thursday, February 7, 2013 4:50 PM
From: "Helga"

To: "Ed Rice"

Oh! Aren't you so very generous!  Yet, I so wished to have been spared these idiotic "essays!"

I have stood on the soil of ten different countries; my music repertoire is comprised of at least sixteen languages; I, myself, am an immigrant to this great nation, the United States of America;... and you propose to tell me to not get intimidated in learning a new language, when it is that my writing, and assuredly my speech, in English, my second language, far excels yours?

You are no more than a petulant, patronizing, narcissistic simpleton!

Even so, I shall address a couple of your asinine conjectures:

Leaning a new language is NOT the issue!  Get that through your thick head!
It is you making the assertion that the King James BIBLE LACKS COLOR because,  in your view "no translation is perfect!" 

PURE LOGIC will tell anyone, with an IQ above 70, that anything that lacks anything is NOT complete, much less PERFECT!  THUS, the King James Bible, IN YOUR OWN WORDS, CANNOT BE A PERFECT TRANSLATION!  THEREFORE IT IS NOT PERFECT!  You forget you are dealing with a polyglot in comparison to you!

This last issue not withstanding, YOU ARE LIMITING THE ABILITIES OF GOD, proving to be a presumptuous fool!  ALL LANGUAGES ARE GOD'S LANGUAGES!!  EVERYTHING BELONGS TO GOD!  As I had written, I have no doubt that GOD FORESAW translations, and the Holy Spirit guided those 54 men IN MAKING A PERFECT TRANSLATION, COLOR INCLUDED!
RAINBOWS, IF YOU WILL!

Thus, when it is HE TELLS ME OR ANYONE ELSE "Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you." WHETHER IT BE IN ENGLISH, PORTUGUESE, CHINESE, WHATEVER, that it is His words He will make known to me and whomever else reads His word, whatever the language be!!  

IF, IF, His word was to be fully comprehended in ONLY Hebrew, or Greek, or Aramaic, SUCH WOULD BE TOLD in His word!  God WOULD NEVER have presumptuous fools such as YOU decide they have a leg up on anyone else!  Not when He also warns that "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall."

NO IFS OR BUTS ABOUT IT!

Aside from all of the above, those 54 men were humble men, and if their work did not "pass muster," as you imply, THEY THEMSELVES WOULD HAVE DISCLOSED IT!!  They were fluent in several languages, and certainly did understand very well about "nuances" existent!  YOU are not the one to first have discovered such!
Their humility is something you will never understand, a pompous ass that you are!

By the way, Satan did not team up with Wescort and Hort!  It was the other way around!  Something like you are doing, promoting the existence of Bible correctors and Judaizers, who spell the name of Jesus in ways they can't even pronounce, just to show themselves superior!

You seem to lack simple English comprehension!
How would one such look for "color" in another tongue"! [This was a typo.     I meant to enter a '?']


Now, understand that goodbye means goodbye!



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Wednesday, February 6, 2013

Pastor Ed Rice of Good Samaritan's Penny Pulpit: a liar and a fool!

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Amazing how it is that life never ceases to surprise me!  I have found yet another impostor, who presents himself as a Preacher believer in the King James Bible, yet evidences being anything but!

I am publishing correspondence had with him, which is self-evident.  It began when I received an email invitation to a course in Hebrew, offered by Pastor Ed Rice, to whose Penny Pulpit Newsletter I subscribed.  No more!  He has proven to be a liar, and I have no use for such!

The following is being published verbatim.


From: Pastorrice@gsbaptistchurch.com
Subject: Join A Biblical Hebrew Study Group Free
To: helhickm@yahoo.com
Date: Thursday, January 31, 2013, 6:36 PM


Pastor Lee Pickett and I are starting a learn-Biblical-Hebrew-for-free-online-self-study-group. The 1st lesson will be available 1 Feb 2013. Please Consider signing up.
Read your Bible in the King James English and it is black and white with clarity. Read your Bible in the original languages and it is in living color.
Please join us in this study group by emailing me at PastorRice@GSBaptistChurch.com. We start on the Hebrew alphbet first. I will email you the first lesson when I hear from you. If you have
1) the self discipline to do self study,
2) about 15 min per day and
3) a desire to learn the Bible, particularly in Hebrew
this will work out well for you. And it will be fun.
Everyone in the group will contribute to the learning experience. There is no cost for trying. Self study is a good thing, .. there is no tuition.

Pastor Ed Rice

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Plese read this! Re: Join A Biblical Hebrew Study Group Free

Tuesday, February 5, 2013 1:41 PM
From: "Helga"

To: Pastorrice@gsbaptistchurch.com

Dear Pastor Rice,

I pray this finds you well.

You may remember having heard from me in the past, for I very much trust and respect your knowledge in the true word of God, particularly because you claim belief in the preserved word of God in the King James Bible.

Internationally renowned for its accuracy, the King James Bible preserves the Old Testament and the New Testament in exemplary English, which were translated perfectly into our common language during its Golden Age.

For the English-speaking peoples, the King James Bible is the fully reliable final authority in all matters because it is the Holy Scriptures, divinely inspired, inerrant, infallible, and preserved in English, which is the lingua franca of our contemporary world.

How then it is that you claim:
"Read your Bible in the King James English and it is black and white with clarity.
Read your Bible in the original languages and it is in living color."


Really?  Then it is we MISS  A  LOT by trusting ONLY in the King James Bible!!
There is so much more room for growth OUTSIDE of reading the King James Bible, say you!

What should we learn next, together with the Hebrew to truly have God's word in the "original languages"?  The Greek?  The Aramaic? 
Our experience would then explode with living color, wouldn't it, and be complete?!

I am extremely disturbed by this your promoting of more Bible correctors in future, if not outright Judaizers!

I am further disturbed by what I read in your journal regarding a visit to Israel:
"It is a first step that can change forever how you read your Bible, set your desire
on the return of the Lord Jesus Christ, and get busy in growth and witnessing."


Oh! My!  I would think Paul's epistles well provide for the above, and so much more:

Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness
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which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day:
and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

2 Timothy 4:8


51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1 Corinthians 15:51-54

WOW!  Need our desire be for anything more than the above?



Besides, it is NOT Christ's "return" that we should desire, but His catching us in the clouds for Himself!

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
and by our gathering together unto him,

2 Thessalonians 2:1


10 And indeed ye do it toward all the brethren which are in all Macedonia:
 but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more;
11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business,
and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;
12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without,
 and that ye may have lack of nothing.
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren,
concerning them which are asleep,
that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again,
ven so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord,
that we which are alive and remain
unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,
with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:
and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain
shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,
to meet the Lord in the air:
and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 4:10-18

I wished to really think it over through much prayer before writing you,
reason why it has taken so long to acknowledge your email!

I pray you view this for what it is really intended.

Turn you at my reproof:
behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you,
I will make known my words unto you.
Proverbs 1:23

This says nothing about needing any "living color" added to the word of God!


Yours in Christ,

Helga Hickman

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From: Ed Rice
Subject: Re: Plese read this! Re: Join A Biblical Hebrew Study Group Free
To: "Helga"
Date: Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 9:10 PM


Dear Helga,
Thanks for writing. It is always enlightening to hear from you. You really outdid yourself this time. Did you write all this yourself? There is an aged Baptist Preacher I know who spent his life teaching that the King James Bible is more inspired than the original languages. It sounds like he helped you write a thousand word essay in his defense! Studied Baptists never swallowed his line of reasoning God recorded His holy Scriptures in Hebrew and Greek. No translation captures all of God's color.
Thanks for asking. I separate from many of the Old Preacher's fans when I say the original languages are better than the King James Bible, but I still say it. All that purified 7 times that h attributes to the English language is a royal stretch of his IQ, and not founded in Scripture. He does have an IQ.
Don't misunderstand, one cannot improve on the King James English translation, nor do you miss God's truth and full revelation by using it, but the Hebrew and Greek languages are what God used to give out His Word and their nuances will not be completely captured in any translation; ergo their study brings the black and white into living technicolor.
I have only had two years of Greek, and one of Hebrew, and I am only a 'C' student at best, but that exposure makes me love, respect and revere my King James English Bible more than anything else. Study of the original languages cause one to understand the English language in all its depth, to revere the translators for what they did, and to understand the ignorance of English preachers who say “A better translation would be ...” There is no better translation of the original languages than the KJ.
So are you interested in joining our Biblical Hebrew study group? It can make one love their King James Bible even more and it does add color.
Shalom
Ed

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Re: Plese read this! Re: Join A Biblical Hebrew Study Group Free

Wednesday, February 6, 2013 12:04 AM
From: "Helga"

To: "Ed Rice"

In the interest of full disclosure, I should tell you that I am not in the habit of ever needing anyone help me write anything!  Never have!  Rather, it is I who has helped others write many-an-item!

Furthermore, I am known to hang people with their own words, thus, this is what I will proceed in doing!  The task proved to be easier than I expected, as the very first thing I found, is a perfect example of your double talk!  No doubt, the Holy Spirit is lighting my way!  Neither do I care to look for more!  I haven't the time nor the inclination to deal with the likes of you!

I find it amazing that a supposedly literate adult write in such contradictory ways:

"God recorded His holy Scriptures in Hebrew and Greek. No translation captures all of God's color."

If this were the case, then it is that the King James CANNOT be God's word, and much less inerrant!  That is pure logic!!  Even an IQ as low as yours can grasp this truth, no doubt!


Yet, I refer to a mailing of yours dated 
November 13, 2010 on the 1 John 5:7 [this was in response to someone who had written Ed Rice] issue that says,

Isn't it amazing how people can walk away from FACTS in two very different directions. - Really!  Isn't it?!  You should know, for that is exactly what you are doing!

 
The bottom line source of this contention really is "Who are you going to trust?"  The Bible Critic, or the Infallible Bible. You the former, I the latter. - It gets to be humorous, doesn't it?!!  Relative to what you write me, this makes you an outright liar!  Very fitting, I say!

 
God is the author of languages, and I have no doubt He knew a time would come when there would be people reading His word in different languages.  Thus, whatever the language be, if the source is correct, it is God's word, and as such, it lacks no color or any other imbecility those too full of themselves may have others believe!  Bible correctors such as yourself, and the many you are about to produce, sicken me!  Imagine having a C-student as a teacher!

English happens to be my second language, and I can assure you, I can say the very same thing in both languages, no color to be amiss in either!

GOD PROMISED TO PRESERVE HIS WORD!  I BELIEVE GOD, NO IFS OR BUTS ABOUT IT!
  IF He meant to specify preserve his word only "in Hebrew," or "in Greek," or whatever else, YOU CAN BET YOUR BEHIND, HE WOULD HAVE MADE THAT CLEAR IN HIS WORD, as God is NOT the author of confusion!

The marvel, sheer marvel of the King James Bible is that it will introduce something and then proceed to explain it!  The King James Bible is its own dictionary!  Therefore, were there any "extra" coloring to be had, GOD WOULD HAVE SET THAT STRAIGHT, STRAIGHT AWAY, WITHOUT EQUIVOCATIONS!

54 erudite scholars, godly men, prayed for hours each and everyday, prior to delving into the translations.  They approached the work with all reverence for it was GOD'S WORD they were handling!  If you think the Holy Spirit wasn't hovering above these, then it is you are a bigger fool than I give you credit for being!  These translators were fluent in a number of languages, and not some pompous asses who presume to know more than others, such as you, I can now say: THEY KNEW MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE!

And, IF it were that any nuances were lacking in their completed work of the Holy Bible, you can bet your life, it would have been disclosed, for these men were also the personification of humility!

You seem to straddle both sides of the fence, and are thus a deceiver! 
I care not to receive any more of your dubious truths!  They are not worth a penny!

A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
James 1:8

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I have just unsubscribed from the Penny Pulpit Newsletter with the following note:

You are a fake!  I have no use for such!

The wicked are estranged from the womb: 
they go astray as soon as they be born, 
speaking lies.
Psalm 58:3 

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February 6: 2013:
I HAVE PURGED THIS BLOG OF ALL EXISTENT POSTS RELATED TO ED RICE, with the exception of 1 John 5:7 issue, to show what a hypocrite the man is!

Nov 13, 2010

I have just found out how it is he has permeated a few circles that believe the King James Bible to be their final authority, and not any originals needed, not knowing of this man's real thinking.  I shall enlighten them all I can.

Ironically, it is his advice I follow, given in the post mentioned: to expose the Bible critics!  How very funny!

Ah, the old Portuguese proverb always holds true: You catch a liar faster than you catch a person with a limp.

God certainly has a sense of humor!


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