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Thursday, July 1, 2010

Billy Crone's LAME "rebuttal" to the King James Bible

I do not remember if here on my blog I had said of my placing several items on some 52 cars during Sunday services on May 30th, to include "The Real Bible Version Issue EXPOSED!" by Bryan Denlinger, in order to expose the PERversion of the NIV that is used at the Niagara Frontier Bible Church. I hoped that there would be some who would employ just what the Bible teaches, and as good Bereans, they would further search for the truth!

I learned that on Monday of last week Pastor Billy Crone delivered his rebuttal which was read to me over the phone, which had me dumbfounded and my ears literally hurting! Yesterday I received the 4-page rebuttal, which reading is just as injurious to the eye, not to mention to my jaw, for which I may need an orthodontist to put back in place! Not to mention intense pain for the PURPOSEFUL misstating of the word of God, which he presents as his proof, for he resorts to how the translation is presented by the NIV, which is so very erroneous and blasphemous in itself. HE USES THE NIV AS A STANDARD!! It doesn't get more stupid than this!

In typing this, I sincerely, continually, had to question the Intelligence Quotient of the writer!! It was a feat to HAVE TO COPY word for word so much ignorance stated! By the way, does the "average Joe" know what this is? NO! It is too big a leap to figure it to be "IQ!" As it would be to own a dictionary, according to Billy Crone, if not a Bible Concordance! It would only help raise the IQ of any who cannot "connect the dots" on their own, albeit it may never "soccour" it once for all!

I heard someone refer to a seminary as being a cemetery!!
I can now vouch for such being true!

I pray all bear in mind that what you are about to read is painstakingly transmitted VERBATIM! And PAINFUL it was to have to type so much erroneous "MODERN" English!! This could certainly make one "loosened in his/her bowels" for intestinal fortitude is certainly a requirement to digest it! INDEED, DUMBING DOWN THE LANGUAGE IS THE RULE OF THE DAY!! Praise God there be some who, such as I, love and respect the English language, my adopted language, and do my best to speak it and write it correctly!

My response to his "rebuttal" will be forthcoming!

Here goes Billy Crone's rebuttal to the KJV as it appeared on Monday, June 21, 2010, on the table at the entry of Niagara Frontier Bible Church, in Lewiston, NY:

Using the Same Logic the KJV Only Group Uses Against Other
Translations there Seems to be a Few Problems...

1. The Problem of the KJV Language
(Some of the language used in KJV appears to be a stumbling block in
understanding a passage)

There are several "types" of archaic language in the KJV:
1. Use of "thee" and "thou" pronouns and "ye", "thine", etc.
2. Use of "-est" and "-eth" endings on verbs
3. Use of archaic words that have lost their meaning
4. Use of archaic words that have changed their meaning
5. Use of archaic idioms and phrases

Hebrews 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted." (KJV).

Who today knows what "succour" is?

Hebrews 2:18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted." (NIV).

The KJV mentions "unicorn(s)" (Num. 23:22; 24:8; Deut. 33:17; Job 39:9,10; Psa. 22:21; 29:6; 92:10; Isa. 34:7) which are a fictitious animal.

There are at least 827 words and phrases in the days of King James that have changed their meaning or are no longer used in our modern, everyday English language. (suffer, filthy lucre, quick, lunatick, wax, charity, gay clothing, etc.)

Here's a modern paragraph told completely in the language of the well can you understand it?

"Sith the noise of the bruit of this school hath reached to thee-ward, we trust that our concourse liketh you well-particularly those who blaze abroad that there is error here. Whose setteth thee against us-whoso saith we offend all-speaketh leasing. We be not affrighted, but withal, we are straightened in our bowels. We knoweth well that what thou wilst hear straightway wilt fast close up thy thoughts. With some we be abjects, some have defied us; but there has been no daysman betwixt us. They subvert the simple!"

2. The Problem of the KJV Interpretation
(Some passages interpreted by KJV appears to be teaching error)

The word 'advertise' means 'tell,' allege' means 'prove,' and conversation' means behavior', communicate' means 'share,' 'take through' means 'be anxious,' prevent' means 'precede'.

1 Peter 3:1 "Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives." (KJV)

1 Peter 3:1 "Wives in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives." (NIV)

To the average Joe, the KJV appears to tell women to win their husbands over by their "what they say" (conversation) instead of "what they do" (behavior).

3. The Problem of the KJV Omissions
(Some of the comparisons of KJV appears to be guilty of omissions of their own)

Jude 25 "To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. " (KJV).

Jude 25 "To the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen." (NIV).

Is the KJV trying to attack the Deity and/or Lordship of Christ?

John 14:14 "If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." KJV)

John 14:14 "You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it."

Is this another attack on Jesus and His authority?

Romans 8:16 "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God." (KJV)

Romans 8:16 "The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children.' (NIV)

Is this an attack on the Personage of the Holy Spirit?

Romans 9:5 "Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen." (KJV)

Romans 9:5 "Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen." (NIV)

Is this another attack on the Deity of Christ?

Note: It is because of passages like these the Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons among others use the KJV to discount orthodox Christian doctrine.

4. The Problem of the KJV Versions
(Some of the "official" KJV versions appear to not be so "official")

Most people's modern KJv version is probably not the 1611. It's probably the Blayney edition of 1769.

Also, the 1611 edition of the KJV underwent various changes in 1613m 1629m 1638, 1762 and 1769. so which one is the "official" one?

Also, if one claims the original 1611 KJV is the only inspired, infallible Word of God, he is claiming that Purgatory is true, since the Apocrypha was included in the 1611 version and it teaches Purgatory (2 Maccabees 12:45)

5. The Problem of KJV Translators
(Some of the Translators appear to be suspect)

Some have said that King James himself was a homosexual. And while that may be disputed, the person of Erasmus is not. Unlike Luther and Calvin, Erasmus never left the Roman Catholic church. And he also did interesting things just to name a few like "guessing" at the last six verses of the Book of Revelation.

Note: I share all this not to get into a debate. Frankly I do not have the time for it even though I could go on and on with even more issues with the KJV. My personal observation is that its quite obvious that those of the KJV Only group and those who are not, are not going to budge and that this debate will probably continue on until the return of Christ.

Therefore, I choose to spend my time working on sharing the Gospel. One thing we know for sure is this. I have family and friends and so do you who are still on their way to hell. I don't want them to go there and neither do you. This is where my primary focus lies and hopefully as a fellow Christian, surely this is something we can work and pray together for.

Billy Crone
Monday, June 21, 2010

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  1. This pastor-guy sounds like a closet atheist, "unicorns are a fictitious animal"!

    And maybe science agrees that hell is also "fictitious"?

    The Apocrypha was separated from the Old Testament in a godly move that assured it was not holy scripture and that resulted in its complete removal in later printings.

    Maybe Billy Crone is a homosexual? I don't need proof to ask the question, so I guess he doesn't need proof to make the accusation.

    The Romans 9:5 verse he quotes is a perversion - is Christ Jesus the god of the Moslems?

    Crone needs to quit and go get a real job, like selling furniture or something.

  2. i just finished reading it some how.....

    what he(billy guy) mainly says is that "words and phrases in kjv are now obsolete...
    and so niv just says what kjv says in a modern way so that we modern people can get it..."

    (he sounds so little and low in logic(& IQ)....
    anyway, i think this guy cant lead anyone
    who is having a bit wisdom...
    coz he don't know even to lie...)

    but talking about NIV i am sure its(NIV) the crooked intelligent product of satan....
    and this billy guy knowingly or unknowingly follows satan......
    see, jesus said that we have to SEEK to find out the TRUTH(sorry the word combination's are different)
    we people can never get to the truth
    through shotcuts.... the way to heaven is very narrow(and a few only enters there) i think we have to study kjv and above all,PRAY to our father in heaven..
    Then he WILL make a way for us sinners...

  3. My dear Jithin,

    You are so very right! You got it!

    You know, as I told you, Bryan Denlinger has another video (set of two) that I just got from him and am viewing. It is awesome work that he has done. You should look in his channel,! Look under Playlists: "Ridiculous Bible PerVersions Of The New Age"

    You know, a guest pastor we just had said: There is only one Koran, one Mormon bible. Why does Satan not attack these?

    Because these are already of Satan. Satan cannot attack himself!

    Matthew 12:
    22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.

    23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?

    24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

    25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

    26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

    27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

    28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

    By the way, you will not find Beelzebub in Matthew 12:24 in the NIV!

  4. To those attacking the pastor himself, rather than using logical rebuttals from facts: Ephesians 4:29, Matthew 5:22, Proverbs 12:18, Romans 14:10-12, Romans 14:1, Colossians 3:7-8, Romans 2:1-4, Mark 7:20-22, James 4:1. I could go on and on as I am just as guilty (Romans 3:23) and have convicted myself repeatedly with these passages and many more (2 Timothy 3:16).

    1. You must be VERY DIMWITTED, for there was no "attack" here but the very painstakingly transmittal of Billy Crone's idiotic rebuttal to the video.

      At the end, VERY CLEARLY, anyone with an IQ above 70 should be able to read "Related Post:

      THERE you might satisfy your need for "logical rebuttals" being given to Billy Crone's LIES, for he uses not facts.

      Go try and grow an IQ, will you!!

      As snow in summer, and as rain in harvest,
      so honour is not seemly for a fool.
      Prover 26:1 (King James Bible)