This the debate which I mentioned in my post Beating the odds! There but for the "GRACE" of God but decided to shorten it by simply responding and not going into my ordeal. I may do it some other time!
Dear Mike Gendron,
Know that I answer your email with a very heavy heart.
Sorry to have kept you waiting, but these have been busy days, and I wanted to be sure to be very detailed in responding to you!
First of all, I want to assure you, I believe you to be GENUINE, one who truly loves the Lord and wants to help save those who are still trapped in the Roman Catholic Church! Like you, I too was there, for 52 years no less! The truth did not come to me all at once! I waltzed in between denominations and churches before I came to the foundation that I now have in the true word of God! Incidentally, not in one church did I hear that which I came to finally learn through YouTube and dear brothers and sisters in Christ who use it to divulge the word of God, and this just a year ago!
My comments are made in bold red within the text you asked that I read!
You do not tell me if you have viewed the playlist I sent you on "The Real Bible Version EXPOSED!
At the end of this I add a few more videos that show how it is that MacArthur has further corrupted the word of God! As if we did not have enough "versions" doing this, already! Self-pride and conceit to be his "moral" compass!! Other than the love of money, for his corrupted "bible" is COPYRIGHTED for the love of FILTHY LUCRE!!
You will note how he hops and skips between bibles, other than PURPOSELY truncating verses when these he posts!!
I have also learned that he was taught by R.B.Thiem, which explains his heresy on the blood of Christ! The machinations that MacArthur contrives in his letter are purely EVIL!!
Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
1 Corinthians 15:33 (King James Bible)
And this is what is wrong with our so-called "seminaries," which Dr. Scott Johnson calls CEMETERIES!!
Love in Christ,
Helga
hath one that judgeth him:
the word that I have spoken,
the same shall judge him in the last day.
John 12:48 (King James Bible)
http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/articles/blood.htm
What's All the Controversy About John MacArthur and the Blood of Christ? | ![]() |
A reply to some lies being perpetrated by fundamentalist zealots. |
Copyright © 2000 by Phillip R. Johnson. All rights reserved.
oes John MacArthur "deny the blood of Christ?" The accusation has become one of those dripping-faucet urban legends that will not die, like the infamous Madalyn Murray O'Hair FCC-Petition Hoax and the Procter & Gamble Satanism Myth. Nearly every month, I hear from someone who has heard the allegation for the first time and wants to know if it is true that John MacArthur denies the saving efficacy of Christ's blood.
No, it is not true, and it never has been. The allegations are ridiculous—perhaps originally based on a thoughtless misunderstanding, but now clearly fueled by a deceitful malevolence.
The controversy was originally ignited by a supposed "news" item written by Bob Jones, Jr. in the April 1986 issue of Faith For The Family (a Bob Jones University-sponsored magazine). Jones quoted some remarks MacArthur had originally made in a live Q&A session at Grace Community Church sometime in the early 1970s. MacArthur's comments had been transcribed and published in the May 1976 issue of the Grace Church newsletter "Grace Today." The Jones article cited the comments without any documentation, and without noting that they were from a ten-year-old source.
In the BJU article, Jones quoted MacArthur as saying, "It is not His bleeding that saved me, but His dying." Jones then cited Hebrews 9:22 ("without shedding of blood is no remission") and intoned, "MacArthur's position is heresy."
On June 13, 1986, MacArthur wrote to Bob Jones III, complaining that the magazine had taken snippets of his remarks out of context and deliberately made them seem sinister. MacArthur assured the magazine's editors that he absolutely affirms the necessity of the shed blood of Christ for atonement and explained that the point he was trying to make in the quoted excerpt was merely that the saving efficacy of Christ's blood is not because of some property in the blood itself, but rather because Christ had poured it out in death as a substitute for sinners.
Indeed, in the very same source Dr. Jones, Jr. had selectively quoted from, MacArthur had written,
Peter calls His blood "precious" and I agree . . . but Peter's reference there is to the sacrificial nature of His death. . . . The phrase "Christ died for our sin" (Romans 5:8; 1 Corinthians 15:3) expresses the truth that death was the penalty, not blood. . . I Peter 2:24 is not saying we are saved by his wounds. . . . If we say that it is the blood that saves . . . what are we saying? His actual blood, physically, saves us? Or perhaps we are stuck with the Roman Catholic Church "perpetual offering" view that some hold. This view says that Christ perpetually sacrifices Himself. He took His blood into heaven and keeps offering it. Hebrews 10:12-14 forbids such a view. [What a pathetically morbid analogy, to put it mildly! This is blasphemous!]Clearly it was His death . . . once for all. His shed blood was part of the violence of it, and speaks of it as sacrifice, but we are saved by His substitutionary death for us, not by the chemicals in His blood.






Once you published in your own paper an article stating that the blood was "efficacious and meritorious" we have never said another word about it. The issue was resolved at that point; and it has been our joy to tell people who continue to be concerned that they can be at ease, and refer them to your own published statements as evidence.

There is a problem here.First, There is absolutely nothing in the article to which Dr. Jones III refers that is a whit different from what MacArthur has always said, and what he has written numerous times in his books and publications. If that article satisfied BJU, why were they ever dissatisfied at all? Second, the article to which Dr. Jones III referred was in MacArthur's "Grace to You" newsletter, Summer of 1988. However the attacks on MacArthur continue to this day in 1992! We do not know that BJU continues the attacks, but those who picked up on the original BJU attack continue.
Why?
The third question naturally follows the first two: If the Joneses believe "The issue was resolved at that point," why have they not given the same broad distribution to that clarification as they did to the original accusation? After all, the attacks began with the BJU publication. [Dear Abner, I Love You, Joab (Bristol, TN: Landmark, 1992), 107.]






The precious Blood is indestructible. It cannot be anything else because of its permanence. The Blood is eternally preserved in Heaven.
and furthermore,
This congress . . . Rejects every attempt either to deny the literalness of the Blood or to minimize its efficacy and the necessity of its shedding in Christ's death on the cross. Such denial is a dangerous and devilish deception. [Here an answer! This person attempts to put words that were not there to begin with!]
"Rejects every attempt . . . [Here we go: TRUNCATED STATEMENTS to be the excellence of the detractors of the truth of God's word!! It seems the word EITHER was neglacted to be mentioned, to mean, WE DON'T QUITE KNOW!! WE BELIEVE IN THE WORD AS IT WAS WRITTEN!! WE PRESUME TO MAKE NO ADDITIONS, NO DEDUCTIONS TO IT!!] to deny the literalness of the Blood"? Do they now agree with Rome's insistence that "blood" in John 6:54-56 is to be understood in a literal sense? Notice that there is no exception to their rule; they reject "every attempt . . . [AGAIN!! THIS IS EVIL!! THIS IS OF THE DEVIL!!] to deny the literalness of the Blood."

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. (2 Corinthians 6:17 (King James Bible And THIS is what is most annoying to the rest!! WE REFUSE ANY ATTEMPT AT ECUMENICISM!]
So they have opted to hound him with unrelenting accusations, innuendo, and false accusations. [WRONG! No one is hounding him! We are to open the eyes of our true brothers and sisters in Christ, and that is what we do!! He has already been exposed!
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." Ephesians 5:11 (King James Version)]
These misguided brethren are so blindly determined to tie John MacArthur to the heretics' stake that they haven't noticed how their own rhetoric has carried them into serious heresy instead, denying the full humanity of Christ's body, and opening the door to a Romanesque literalism regarding the application of Christ's blood to sinners. [!!]


Jesus Christ has made a will, and he has left to his people large legacies by that will. Now, wills do not have to be sprinkled with blood, but wills do need that the testator should be dead, otherwise they are not of force. As it was not possible that Christ should die other than a violent death, seeing that he must die as a sacrifice, the term "blood" becomes in this case tantamount to "death". . And so, first of all, the blood of Jesus Christ on Calvary is the blood of the testament, because it is A PROOF THAT HE IS DEAD [emphasis Spurgeon's], and therefore the testament is in force (MTP, vol. 26, p. 632).What is this "blood of sprinkling"? In a few words, "the blood of sprinkling" represents the pains, the sufferings, the humiliation, and the death of the Lord Jesus Christ, which he endured on the behalf of guilty man. When we speak of the blood, we wish not to be understood as referring solely or mainly to the literal material blood which flowed from the wounds of Jesus. We believe in the literal fact of his shedding his blood; but when we speak of his cross and blood we mean those sufferings and that death of our Lord Jesus Christ by which he magnified the law of God; we mean what Isaiah intended when he said, "He shall make his soul an offering for sin"; we mean all the griefs which Jesus vicariously endured on our behalf at Gethsemane, and Gabbatha, and Golgotha, and specially his yielding up his life upon the tree of scorn and doom. "The chastisement of our peace was upon him, and with his stripes we are healed." "Without the shedding of blood there is no remission"; and the shedding of blood intended is the death of Jesus, the Son of God," (MTP, vol. 32, p. 123).
But what does "the blood" mean in Scripture? It means not merely suffering, which might be well typified by blood, but it means suffering unto death, it means the taking of a life. To put it very briefly, a sin against God deserves death as its punishment, and what God said by the mouth of the prophet Ezekiel still standeth true, "The soul that sinneth, it shall die." The only way by which God could fulfill his threatening sentence, and yet forgive guilty men, was that Jesus Christ, his Son, came into the world, and offered his life instead of ours (MTP, vol. 40, p. 325).
[Well, we have already seen just out the "out of context," "truncated" sentences have been applied so far!]
Despite his detractors' claims, MacArthur clearly affirms—and has always affirmed—the necessity and full efficacy of Christ's blood atonement. In The Freedom and Power of Forgiveness he writes,
Scripture plainly teaches that only a blood sacrifice can atone for sin and appease the wrath of God against the sinner. God told Old Testament Israel, "The life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul" (KJV). [KJV!! Make note!] Hebrews 9:22 states it succinctly: "Without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness."So atonement by shedding of blood is absolutely essential to the forgiveness of sins. Forgiveness is impossible without a propitiatory sacrifice. Scripture teaches this plainly. The wrath and justice of God must not be downplayed in our understanding of His forgiveness. [(Wheaton: Crossway, 1998), 22.] [Well, we have plenty of examples of MacArthur's reverence for Scripture! More on this, later!]
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The clear teaching of the Bible, from beginning to end, is that sinners cannot atone for their own sins in any way. A perfect sacrifice was therefore needed to atone for sin on their behalf. This involved shedding the blood (death, not merely blood-letting) of an innocent Substitute. And the substitute must bear on the sinner's behalf the full punishment for guilt, not merely a token penalty (cf. Isaiah 53:5). Only such a perfect sacrifice could satisfy the demands of God's justice, and thus propitiate Him toward sinners. That is exactly what Scripture says Christ's sacrifice provided:"God set [Christ] forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus (Romans 3:25-26, NKJV). [NKJV!! Make note!]We unequivocally reject the liberal notion that this doctrine of vicarious atonement places God in the same category as ancient heathen gods who supposedly demanded blood sacrifices in order to be mollified. The atoning work of Christ has nothing whatsoever in common with pagan notions about propitiation and offended deities. The God of Scripture is not at all like the gods of ancient Canaan, or even the more sophisticated gods of Greek mythology. He is not temperamental and irritable, requiring some sacrificial inducement in order to placate a fiery temper. We're not to think of God's wrath as equivalent to a bad mood. His righteous hatred of sin is a fixed and holy disposition, not a volatile temperament. And His demand that sin be atoned for is an essential matter of divine righteousness, not a fatuous need for vengeance. [I AM A JEALOUS GOD!! "To me belongeth vengeance and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste." Deuteronomy 32:35 (King James Bible)]
[25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith IN his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Romans 3:25-26 (King James Version)]
Nor should anyone imagine that Christ's sacrifice was necessary to overcome some reluctance on the Father's part to save sinners. God is inherently loving, eager to save, taking no pleasure in the death of any sinner (Ezekiel 33:11). [Deuteronomy 32:35 (KJB)]
Still, it is the clear teaching of Scripture that, as a simple matter of divine justice, the only acceptable atonement for sin was a blood sacrifice, a suffering Substitute who would bear the full wrath of God on the sinner's behalf. Christ is the only worthy Substitute, and His dying on the cross rendered the atonement necessary to provide forgiveness for sinners.
This doctrine of substitutionary atonement is therefore the whole ground of God's forgiveness. Apart from Christ's atoning work, no sinner would ever have any hope of salvation. [Ibid., 23-24.]


I Believe in the Precious Blood
By John MacArthur
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing.Hebrews 10:28-29
[This is UTTERLY SICKENING right from the start!! THIS HAS BEEN TRUNCATED! WHAT A SURPRISE!! THIS THE REVERENCE HE HAS SHOWN FOR THE WORD OF GOD! Here, it is OBVIOUS he is quoting from the King James Bible which ACTUALLY SAYS in Hebrews 10:28-29:28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Just how does one trust anyone beyond this truncated quote? NOT ME!]
Dear Beloved Friend,
The blood of the Lord Jesus Christ is holy and precious. The shedding of His blood in death was the price of atonement for our sins. As He literally poured out His blood in a sacrificial act, He sealed forever the New Covenant and purchased our redemption.
Those of you familiar with my teaching know that I have always believed and affirmed those things. For the past two or three years, however, I have been under attack by a small but vocal group of men who are eager to discredit my ministry. They have charged me with denying the blood of Christ and have called me a heretic in several nationally distributed publications.
My first response was to write many of those men privately, believing their attack on me grew from a misunderstanding. None of them had spoken to me personally before attacking me in print. Only a handful have yet replied to my letters. Still, I expected the public controversy to die away. My teaching is certainly no secret, and I knew that those who listen regularly to our radio broadcast would know I am a not teaching heresy.
Nevertheless, for nearly three years a small core of zealots have kept the issue swirling around every ministry I'm involved with. One man has literally made a career of going to any church in the country that will pay his way and giving a series of messages on the error of "MacArthurism." Recently, a couple of key radio stations dropped "Grace to You," not because of anything we taught on the broadcast, but because they did not want to continue to deal with the controversy being generated by rumormongers.
Over the past couple of years we have received thousands of letters from all over the country, ranging from those supporting our biblical view, to those who are confused, to some who blindly echo the accusation that we are trampling underfoot the blood of Christ. For the sake of all of them, and so that you can better understand what I have taught about the blood of Christ, let's look at three truths that I and all other genuine believers affirm about the blood of Jesus Christ.
1. Jesus' Blood Is the Basis of Redemption




2. Jesus Shed His Literal Blood When He Died

OUR GOD IS A SUPERNATURAL GOD! WE LIVE IN THE SPIRIT OF GOD!! WHEN WE ACCEPT JESUS IN OUR HEARTS, WE DO IT SPIRITUALLY!! IT DOES NOT TAKE A BRAIN SURGEON TO FIGURE THIS OUT!!] Jesus Christ bled and died in the fullest literal sense, and when He rose from the dead, he was literally resurrected. To deny the absolute reality of those truths is to nullify them (cf. 1 Cor. 15:14-17).



3. Not Every Reference to Jesus' Blood Is Literal [To whom? I take scripture at its word! I do not argue with it!]











"But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand." Ezekiel 33:6 (King James Bible)]
and I confess that at times it is discouraging. [Not quite enough! You have further CORRUPTED, UTTERLY PERVERTED the word of God with your ESV!] Yet I know one cannot be on the front lines without constant battles, and it is a privilege to suffer wrong for the Lord's sake (cf. 1 Pet. 4:19).


John MacArthur
Pastor-Teacher [WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING]
JOHN MACARTHUR NEEDS REMEMBER
THE WORDS OF CHRIST HIMSELF:
But he answered and said,
It is written,
Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Christ did not wonder what translation it was he was quoting!
THERE WAS BUT ONE BIBLE!
The King James Bible has produced more fruit than any other
and it is going to celebrate its 400th birthday next year,
with NEVER having gone through any changes in its text!
NOT ONE CHANGE!
ESV Omissions sanderson...
In this last video the following are missing: Rom 16:24; Acts 8:37; Acts 24:7; John 5:3*; John 5:4; Matt 18:11; Luke 9:55-56; Luke 23:17; Mark 9:44; Mark 9:46; Mark 11:26; Mark 6:11; Mark 15:28; Matt. 17:21; Matt 27:35; Luke 4:4***; Listing the commandments: Thou shall not bear witness***
Asterisks denote verses that have been truncated.
The King James Bible is superior to all modern translations in that it preserves the distinction between the singular and plural pronouns. This is extremely important so one knows EXACTLY to whom any one sentence is addressed!
Pronoun Use - - - 17th Century - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 20th Century
Case - - - - - - - Singular - - - Plural - - - - - - - - - Singular - - - - - - Plural
Nominative - - - - thou - - - - ye or you - - - - - - - - - you - - - - - - - - you
Objective - - - - - - thee - - - - - you - - - - - - - - - - - -You - - - - - - - you
Possessive - - thy, thine - - - your, yours - - - - - your, yours - - your, yours
"And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou (singular)? --- Hast thou (singular) considered my servant Job? --- Then Satan answered the LORD --- Hast not thou (singular) made an hedge about him," (Job 1:7,8,10)
"And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you (plural), that he may sift you (plural) as wheat: But I have prayed for thee (singular), and when thou (singular) art converted, strengthen thy (singular) brethren." (Luke 22:31,32)
"And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee (singular): nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you (plural)." (1.Cor.12:21)
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And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more:
for every man's word shall be his burden;
for ye have perverted the words of the living God,
of the LORD of hosts our God.
Jeremiah 23:36 (King James Bible)
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