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Sunday, March 20, 2011

We Shall Not All Sleep by J. Franklyn Norris / Where Are The Dead? by David J. Stewart

This is being reposted in order to respond to a just-gotten comment.
It was originally posted on December 15, 2010.

Bry said...

this is a disgusting display of your personal interpretation of the scripture. stop listening to your pastor and read the Holy Bible for yourself. chapter by chapter in entirety. Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the Messiah. your view has been distorted by flesh. read the book of Luke from beginning to end or the book of Corinthians. soften your heart and read for yourself. don't listen to me or any other man. pray for understating AND READ THE SCRIPTURE ALL BY YOUR SELF. stop scaring misguided souls away from the light. do not bring Jesus down from above or satin up from below. not even the angles know there fate. only God. shalom.

Helga Hickman said...

Hilarious that you should advise someone to read when it is you cannot write!

For one, I know of no "angles" nor "satin" that need worry about being up or down!

Soften my heart? Turn my brain to mush? I don't think so! I am ever so very thankful that the Holy Spirit residing in me has had me OPEN my heart and mind to the word of God!

I KNOW of my fate, and if you don't you must be in some cult like the Roman Catholic one, through which belief one will never know their end until it is they find themselves in the Lake of Fire!

12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing.

13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

1 Thessalonians 4:12-17 (King James Bible)

Helga Hickman said...

How interesting that you should tell me to read about one of the SCARIEST passages in the Bible, contained in Luke 16:

19There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.




We Shall Not All Sleep by J. Franklyn Norris / Where are the dead?

We Shall Not All Sleep

by J. Franklyn Norris

BereanBeacon | February 08, 2009

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1Thessalonians 4:13-18

John Franklyn Norris was born in Dadeville, Alabama, 1877, but spent his childhood and youth in Hubbard, Texas, where the crusading spirit of the old West gave him life's direction. As a boy he was shot three times when horse thieves were attacking his father because he testified against the gang. Mrs. Norris knew her son was going to live and be a preacher, even though the doctors gave him up to die.

He graduated from Baylor University, and was valedictorian of his class at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky. He was ordained to the ministry in 1899 and soon thereafter began his long stormy career by serving as editor of "The Baptist Standard." He crusaded against the liquor traffic and horse racing, leading to passage of new laws in Texas. Norris aided Dr. B. H. Carroll in the founding of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas.

In 1909 he accepted the pastorate of the First Baptist Church of Fort Worth, Texas, and remained there until his death. Norris continued his crusade against corruption in city politics. Twice his church was burned to the ground, but he rebuilt it. An unruly mob gathered on a Fort Worth street and an agitator offered $1,000 to the person who would shoot J. Frank Norris. Upon hearing about the mob, Norris went to the street corner and, in view of the crowd, bought a newspaper and turned to read it leaving his back as a target. On another occasion a crowd gathered in the town hall and threatened to hang Norris. He strolled into the meeting and sat in the first row. The dynamic preaching of Norris gave him the reputation of being able to draw a crowd of 5,000 to 10,000 any place in Texas.

In 1935 Norris also accepted the pastorate of Temple Baptist Church, Detroit, Michigan, and held joint pastorates for fifteen years of these two great churches separated geographically by thirteen hundred miles. During those years the attendance of each Sunday School reached over 5,000 weekly under the leadership of one pastor, and constituted the world's largest Sunday Schools. His newspapers, The Fundamentalist and The Searchlight, claimed to have the largest circulation of a religious newspaper west of the Mississippi.

A master pulpiteer, Dr. Norris was a fierce opponent of Communism, Catholicism, liberalism, and evolution and was acclaimed to be one of the twentieth century's outstanding leaders of Bible fundamentalism. In 1939, with the aid of Dr. Louis Entzminger, he organized the Bible Baptist Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas, an institution which excelled in the training of young preachers. Many of the graduates of this school have built some of the largest churches in America.

Norris was a personal friend of world leaders such as William Jennings Bryan, Winston Churchill, and Franklin Roosevelt. He preached to state legislators and is credited with personally swinging the Texas vote from Al Smith, the Catholic candidate, to Herbert Hoover in 1928.

A friend of world leaders, a compassionate soul winner, and a Bible expositor, Dr. Norris died in Keystone, Florida, August 20, 1952 and was buried in Fort Worth, Texas, Saturday, August 24, 1952.

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Where Are The Dead?

By David J. Stewart

This is a subject of much controversy; BUT there is NO controversy if you believe the Bible. This article does not need to be extremely long, because the Word of God plainly states where the dead are. It's as simple as this my friend--the saved go to Heaven, and the unsaved go to Hell. And let me say right now, because most articles written about the dead don't mention this--Hell is a place which burns with fire and brimstone! Only a Hellbound Christ-rejecter would deny the eternal punishment of the damned, in lieu of the abundance of supporting Scriptures. I've read several online articles concerning the dead, and am saddened that many of them deny the existence of eternal punishment. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Word of God is very clear on this matter, and we would be wise to study God's Inspired Word rather than listen to the humanistic reasoning of foolish unsaved religious men.

I recently read a blasphemous article about the dead which states ...

Having demonstrated that neither the Bible nor reason offers the slightest support to the doctrine that eternal torment is the penalty for sin, we note the fact that the various church creeds, and confessions, and hymn-books, and theological treatises, are its only supports; and that under the increasing light of our day, and the consequent emancipation of reason, belief in this horrible, fiendish doctrine of the "dark ages" is fast dying out. -SOURCE:

Can you imagine ... a website called "" which refers to Hell as a "fiendish doctrine of the dark ages"? What apostasy!!! The article quotes John 3:13 in an attempt to teach that there is no afterlife ... "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." The author of the article in question used up 3,045 lines of HTML code in an attempt to show that "hell" only means extinction (annihilation). What a nightmare! One thing that I love about the Truth of God's Word is that it doesn't take an article a mile long to defend It. You either believe the Bible or you don't--to those who believe, no explanation is necessary; to those who believe NOT, no explanation is possible. John 3:13 means what it says, for no man had ascended into Heaven in the Old Testament--they went to Paradise. Here is a wonderful explanation of John 3:13 by the great man of God, J. Vernon McGee


And now He says, "No man hath ascended up to heaven." That is the answer to those today who feel that Elijah and Enoch went to heaven when they were translated. I don’t think so because up to this point the Lord Jesus says that no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven. In other words, He is saying that He is the only One who can speak about heaven because He is the only One who has ascended up to heaven. Now it is true that there are a host of folk who have gone to heaven after Christ, but in the Old Testament, when a saint of God died, one of God’s own, he went to a place that is called Paradise or Abraham’s Bosom—our Lord called it that (see Luke 16:22). It was not until after Christ died and ascended to heaven and led captivity captive that He took those who were in Paradise into the presence of God in heaven. Since then, for the child of God, it has always been "… absent from the body … present with the Lord" (2 Cor. 5:8). But when Jesus was here, no other man had ascended to heaven. -SOURCE: Thru The Bible With J. Vernon McGee

For an excellent detailed explanation of Hell, please read the free online book A Biblical Examination of Hell by Pastor Max D. Younce.

The Old Testament Dead

Luke 16 is perhaps the clearest Biblical account of what happens when a person dies. In Luke 16:22-23 we read, "And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments..." We learn from this wonderful passage of Scripture that the believer in Christ is escorted by angels at death to a place of peace. Tragically, we also learn that the unbeliever goes straight to a place of torment. "Abraham's bosom" is another term for the Old Testament place called Paradise. Hell (Hebrew: Sheol, Greek: Hades) is located inside the earth. Hades is compartmentalized into two distinct places: Paradise and Torment. We read in Ephesians 4:9, "Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?" Matthew 12:40 states, "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." When Jesus died upon the cross, He descended into the lower parts of the earth--into Paradise. This explains why we read in 1st Samuel 28:14 that the prophet Samuel came UP out of the earth. On the other hand, great men of God such as Evangelist John R. Rice believed that Old Testament saints went immediately to Heaven; not Paradise. Dr. John R. Rice didn't believe in a place called Paradise. Brother Rice quotes 2nd Kings 2:11, "...and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." Although both arguments are compelling, I personally lean towards the existence of a place called Paradise, simply because of the abundance of Scriptures which fit into the puzzle.

As you can see, there are two schools of thought here. Many great men of God hold to one of these two views. Jack T. Chick and Oliver B. Greene believe in an Old Testament Paradise. I personally would not argue the issue with anyone, because it is NOT a fundamental doctrine of the Christian faith. Whether you believe Old Testament saints went to Heaven or Paradise--either way you still believe in eternal life. However, the doctrines of eternal punishment and eternal life, ARE fundamental doctrines of the Biblical faith. If life were to cease at death, then there would be no reason for Jesus Christ to have died upon the cross for our sins. If there is no Hell, then there is no penalty for sin--so why get saved? As you can clearly see, the doctrines of eternal punishment for the wicked, and eternal life for the righteous are critically important to the Christian faith. Please read, The Truth About Hell. Also, here is a wonderful Real Audio series of Bible Studies on "Heaven" by Pastor Jack Schaap:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 [Just click on any of these numbers to download and listen]

Bible students who hold to the Paradise view believe that Christ took all of the Old Testament saints to Heaven during the 3-days He was in the grave. Thus, whether you believe in an Old Testament Paradise or not, we all believe that the Old Testament saints are in Heaven today with the Lord.

Where Do The Dead Go Today?

Unbelievers who die today still go to the place of Torment, in Hell (Hades). We know this because of what Revelation 20:12-13 teaches, "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works." So at The Great White Throne of Judgment, the DEAD will be delivered up from Hell. The word "hell" here in Revelation 20:13 is in fact the Greek, "Hades." The unsaved dead are presently awaiting judgment in Hades. They will be judged in Revelation 20:11-15, and then cast into the Lake of Fire (Gehenna) to be tormented eternally.

Born again believers today go straight to Heaven when they die. I believe Luke 16:22 clearly teaches that we will be escorted by angels to Heaven's gates. I believe we will be greeted by other saints as we arrive to Heaven. We read in Luke 15:10, "Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth." If it's not the angels rejoicing, then who is it? Christians! Hebrews 12:1 declares, "Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses..." I believe that the same saints which rejoice in Heaven over one sinner that repents and gets saved, also jubilantly greet newcomers into Heaven's pearly gates. It is clear from the Scriptures that the death of a Christian is a blessed event in Heaven, "Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints" (Psalm 116:15). Why precious? Because the Lord gets to meet and speak with us face to face for the first time. If the death of a Christian is precious to the Lord, then you can rest assured that it is also precious to the inhabitants of Heaven. Death for the believer is actually a graduation from this old earthly life into a new celestial life with the Lord. The Apostle Paul speaks positively concerning the death of a believer in 1st Thessalonians 4:13, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope." The unbeliever dies and goes to Hell without hope--his family and friends have every reason to mourn and sorrow. However, the Christian goes to be with the Lord (2nd Corinthians 5:8), and that is something to have a celebration over.

The Lake of Fire

Lest you should have any doubts as to where the unsaved go, we read in 2ndThessalonians 1:8 ... "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord..." There you have it ... flaming fire, vengeance, punished with everlasting destruction, from the presence of the Lord--who would want to go to such a horrible place? Yet, most of the people in this world are going to Hell when they die. 2nd Peter 3:9 tells us that God is NOT willing for ANY to perish, but for all to come to repentance. No one goes to Hell who doesn't choose to go there. God is a Just God!

The Word of God plainly teaches that there is a second death. There is NO mention in the Bible of a place called "Purgatory." In fact, purgatory is an INVENTION of the Catholic Church, first established by Gregory the Great in 593 A.D. If you hear someone teaching that the Bible doesn't teach eternal damnation and punishment--they are lying! Even the Old Testament, in Isaiah 66:24 WARNS of Hell, "And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh." Neither shall their fire be quenched!!! "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (2nd Thessalonians 2:12).

"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." -Revelation 20:14-15

Ye Must Be Born Again!


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  1. c what i mean u r so hateful. criticizing my writing is totally off subject and immature. i am not a writer. in retrospect i was a bit harsh. i did however listen to that excellent sermon from Fort Worth. he said nothing to the effect of your writings. in fact he spent the entire 23 min spreading the good news not the bad news. i listened to it three times. i am your brother not your enemy. love the lord thy God and love others as Jesus has loved us. Jesus came not to unite but divide. is Able in hell? check your concordance. or just ramble on in anger but that anger is controlling u. May God have mercy on us all. Amen

  2. You know, you prove that there be those who yap just for the sake of yapping!!

    I responded to YOUR criticism! Which was asinine! As it is, again!

    Pretty asinine to state you liked something but had a mouthful of ignorance to spread!

    I don't even think you know to distinguish between "good news" and "bad news!" IF IT IS IN THE BIBLE IT IS EDIFYING NEWS!

    Bother me not again, please! And, yes, I do get angry in wasting my time, as I am right now!

    If it is only cheery news you wish, read Hans Christian Anderson!

  3. i criticized YOUR interpretation of hell (sheol, hades). then suggested you read some books of the Bible.

    "how asinine. g, i must b a member of a cult or something."

    you know, u accuse me, but it's u spewing personal interpretations and taking scripture out of context.

    please just read the Gospels and the Epistles one book a time. it cant hurt and will probably help.

    also, its cool that u copied a bunch of verses for us but f.y.i., many of us already know them and don't need a word search program to find them.

    by the way, J. Franklyn's sermon is about salvation not damnation.

    and finally, on a lighter note;...

    "brother me not"??? lol

    ok. i will not brother u. :-)

  4. I see what your problem is:
    You need a new prescription for your eyeglasses!

    You certainly cannot read well and therefore comprehend even less!

    Now, go away, will you?
    Good bye!